Australia vs. USA

topper · #1 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 21, 2009, 12:01pm

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Originally Posted by ronald

I can see your point.

My statement is based on the finals which is probably not a good idea as many of the regionals and supers were populated with elite and ISF umpires. Four of the six in the finals were elite and ISF and of these, only one IMO did not call in the ocean strikes.

What does elite/ISF have to do with anything. Isn't the subject of this thread about this elite/ISF crew's poor showing on their biggest stage? Do you expect college umpires to be better because they're elite or ISF than those that aren't? Some choose not to enter more than one political arena at a time.

ronald · #2 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 21, 2009, 12:20pm

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Originally Posted by topper

What does elite/ISF have to do with anything.

They make fewer errors when all is said and done.

[QUOTE=topper;615946]Isn't the subject of this thread about this elite/ISF crew's poor showing on their biggest stage? Yes but I hijacked it for a moment.

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Originally Posted by topper

Do you expect college umpires to be better because they're elite or ISF than those that aren't?

Yes.

kcg NC2Ablu · #3 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 21, 2009, 12:23pm

[QUOTE=ronald;615956]They make fewer errors when all is said and done.

I dont know man they are missing a lot of stuff ... more than I seem to remember the NCAA umpires missing

IRISHMAFIA · #4 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 21, 2009, 01:03pm

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Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu

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Originally Posted by ronald

They make fewer errors when all is said and done.

I dont know man they are missing a lot of stuff ... more than I seem to remember the NCAA umpires missing

You need to remember, the "elite" is strictly ASA and has no bearing on the ISF umpires from outside the US. For that matter, no matter how much Henry and Merle travelled around the world conducting clinics, it is still up to each country's NGB to establish and qualify their ISF umpires. And they do work other tournaments as the US doesn't have a monoply on international play, though I would like to think the US has some of the better-trained umpires.

topper · #5 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 21, 2009, 12:39pm

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Originally Posted by ronald

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Originally Posted by topper
Do you expect college umpires to be better because they're elite or ISF than those that aren't?

Yes.

Then expect to be sorely disappointed.

outathm · #6 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 21, 2009, 01:04pm

What about college umpires who have had their paperwork lost for three years (at least), or the college umpires who are eligible for 'elite' status but do not want to spend money to be eligible for tourneys their metro will never put them in for and don't want to go to anyhow?

Elite is a nice piece of paper on the 'I love me' wall. But when it is said and done, work the mechanics and call the outs 'out', and safes 'safe'. That is what really matters.

ronald · #7 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 21, 2009, 01:34pm

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Originally Posted by outathm

What about college umpires who have had their paperwork lost for three years (at least), or the college umpires who are eligible for 'elite' status but do not want to spend money to be eligible for tourneys their metro will never put them in for and don't want to go to anyhow?

I don't think it will be long and I will feel the same. Already a quarter way there.

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Originally Posted by outathm

But when it is said and done, work the mechanics and call the outs 'out', and safes 'safe'. That is what really matters.

Agree but I have a hard time with those who fail to do what they say they are going to do. It's a fact of life and I just want to tar and feather those types of individuals.

Steve M · #8 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 21, 2009, 01:57pm

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Originally Posted by outathm

What about college umpires who have had their paperwork lost for three years (at least), or the college umpires who are eligible for 'elite' status but do not want to spend money to be eligible for tourneys their metro will never put them in for and don't want to go to anyhow?

Elite is a nice piece of paper on the 'I love me' wall. But when it is said and done, work the mechanics and call the outs 'out', and safes 'safe'. That is what really matters.

To add on to this question - the college umpires who's ASA district won't send anyone to an ASA national. That's how it is in PA's district 4.

outathm · #9 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 21, 2009, 02:07pm

Steve has a good point. I know first hand how hard it is to live in that type of district, or a district where ASA is almost non existent. What about the person who moves for work every 3 to 4 years? All of these are factors in getting the right nationals to get elite, but it still does not make that person less of an umpire.

IRISHMAFIA · #10 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 21, 2009, 02:42pm

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Originally Posted by outathm

Steve has a good point. I know first hand how hard it is to live in that type of district, or a district where ASA is almost non existent. What about the person who moves for work every 3 to 4 years? All of these are factors in getting the right nationals to get elite, but it still does not make that person less of an umpire.

Well, you know what, sometimes life sucks. I can appreciate Steve's circumstance as I have experienced the effect of his bane and it does suck. I don't think our opinions are very different.

If it were up to me, the UICs would run the umpire program, not the commissioners, but that isn't the case and the downside of this rears it's head in certain areas, Steve's being one of which I am aware.

However, what is there to be said for someone who attempts to diminish the accomplishments of others to "a nice piece of paper on the 'I love me' wall." for whatever reason?

ronald · #11 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 21, 2009, 02:14pm

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Originally Posted by Steve M

To add on to this question - the college umpires who's ASA district won't send anyone to an ASA national. That's how it is in PA's district 4.

That sucks. Get rid of that guy. Why does ASA keep him?

I am in the move every 4-6 year boat.

Will probably move next year and will be no softball where I go if I go. Uncle Same decides that.

Steve M · #12 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 21, 2009, 02:19pm

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Originally Posted by ronald

That sucks. Get rid of that guy. Why does ASA keep him?

I am in the move every 4-6 year boat.

Will probably move next year and will be no softball where I go if I go. Uncle Same decides that.

You're right. It sucks. But I don't get a vote as to keep him or not. So, I work for some other groups in the summer. I've done 2 ASA tournaments this year - one working for Big Slick and the other in Mike's neighborhood,

topper · #13 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 21, 2009, 02:33pm

What about the college umpires who haven't sent any paperwork in and have no desire to work a Nationals? Are they capable of doing a good job on the college field? Or an ASA field for that matter?

NCASAUmp · #14 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 21, 2009, 02:36pm

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Originally Posted by ronald

That sucks. Get rid of that guy. Why does ASA keep him?

I am in the move every 4-6 year boat.

Will probably move next year and will be no softball where I go if I go. Uncle Same decides that.

As long as it's not the YSISF league...

NCASAUmp · #15 (**permalink**) Tue Jul 21, 2009, 01:27pm

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Originally Posted by ronald

They make fewer errors when all is said and done.

The umpire who botched the call in this thread was Elite.

We all make errors, and yes, Elite usually makes fewer errors than the average umpire. Still happens, though.

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