PU Hold while BU(s) position or Both back in simulataneously

[kcg NC2Ablu]

Originally Posted by topper

I'd be surprised if it were Emily. It contradicts conversations we've had in the past.

Absolutely irrelevant. Not sure why you keep bringing the post season up. My resume' has nothing to do with the subject of this thread nor any other. Including it in a screen name or on a list of associations in a signature tells me more about the official than their ability to officiate.

Actually you brought up staff member ... thus the SUIP thus your resume' There are times where people work improperly or contradictory to that manual and those people for the most part DO NOT work post seasons... for the most part. thats why its completely relavent. P.s. your red herring logical falicy attack on my screen name will not deflect the fact that your wrong and will continue to be wrong about this. And it wasnt emily

[ronald]

Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu

the SUIP

What is this guys? I get supervisor umpire ...

thanks.

[MNBlue]

Softball Umpire Improvement Program

[ronald]

Originally Posted by MNBlue

Softball Umpire Improvement Program

Thank you.

Follow up. The SUIP, once ball in circle, wants BU to move quickly to next position then turn around, then PU moves quickly back to plate. Right?

I used to do that. Now as BU, I move past the base line, turn and back pedal to my position. 1) SUIP not good? 2) ASA - ok, not ok or depends on UIC or let's kill it?

Thanks.

[Rachel]

The SUIP is the NCAA's way of getting all of their umpires working with the same mechanics and philosophy. They have a manual that we are expected to use so that when they bring officials in from all over the country to do regionals and championships everyone knows what is expected. It is written for college fastpitch softball. ASA teaches to the masses and includes many levels and games.

Umpires need to hold their positions until the ball is in the circle and the runners are on their respective bases. Several years ago they asked the plate umpire to hold until a set of eyes is on the runners. It took too long and drew attention to the umpires. Now the BU's turn and hustle to their position and the PU keeps their eyes on play (the ball is not dead) until there is a set of eyes on play (the ball is not dead - things can happen). The idea is that you don't need to stand still. When a BU gets to their next position the PU turns and hustles back to the plate. Umpires can move much like a set of basketball officials. It is faster and does not draw attention to the umpires.

Mechanics are used to make sense for the college fastpitch game. 39,000 umpires don't need to be trained, only the ones that are doing that level of softball.

Calling time as a routine takes away from the game and draws attention to the umpires.

What can happen?
-Pitcher leaves the circle.
-Pitcher drops the ball.
-Catcher walks to the circle w/o asking for time.
etc. etc.

Why take that away from the game?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Rachel

Calling time as a routine takes away from the game and draws attention to the umpires.

Come on, give me a break!

What can happen?
-Pitcher leaves the circle.
-Pitcher drops the ball.
-Catcher walks to the circle w/o asking for time.
etc. etc.

Why take that away from the game?

Take what away from the game, a meaningless "gotcha" call that shouldn't occur anyway? If anything, making that call will draw more attention to the umpire then calling time and hustling into position so the teams can get back to doing what they are there to do, play the game.

BTW, who cares if the catcher walks to the circle w/o asking for time, NOTHING can happen without the umpire being put in the spotlight when s/he makes that "gotcha" call!!!

You can ramble all you want about it, there is nothing that keeping the LBR adds to the game. Remember when the WCOS championship game ended on an LBR violation? Right, wrong or indifferent, the call drew serious attention to the crew and the "violation" (as is often the case) had little to nothing to do with the progress of the game.

The LBR is an antiquated "control" tool that is more of a detractor to a game that otherwise has a very positive image.

[MNBlue]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

The LBR is an antiquated "control" tool that is more of a detractor to a game that otherwise has a very positive image.

This may or may not be true - but I think it is irrelevant to the conversaton.

It IS a rule right now. It IS expected to be enforced. It IS used by players and coaches that understand it. Would it make a lot more people happy to do away with the rule - maybe. But if so, why havn't ANY of the rule makers for any of the organizations done so?

Until the rule is done away with, we obviously have to enforce it. And keeping the ball alive and not turning our heads on the ball and players is how we have to do it.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by MNBlue

This may or may not be true - but I think it is irrelevant to the conversaton.

It IS relevant to the conversation as the elimination of the rule WOULD make this thread and subsequent discussion obsolete.

It IS a rule right now. It IS expected to be enforced.

We enforce the rules in place. I'm pretty sure I've got that one down after 43 years of umpiring.

It IS used by players and coaches that understand it.

As noted by people other than myself, this rule was not meant to be "used" by anyone other than the umpire.

Would it make a lot more people happy to do away with the rule - maybe. But if so, why havn't ANY of the rule makers for any of the organizations done so?

Maybe for the same reason that until a couple years ago, the rules did not allow a batter to attempt to advance to 1B on an U3K with two outs and 1B unoccupied.

Maybe for the same reason that ASA rules do not address a fair batted ball which lands (hits the ground) and deflects off a fielder and leaves play in fair territory.

People are apathetic and often just accept the status quo whether it makes sense or not.

Until the rule is done away with, we obviously have to enforce it. And keeping the ball alive and not turning our heads on the ball and players is how we have to do it.

The ball is "live", not alive. But because of this rule, nothing can happen. Runners cannot leave the base, so there is no reason to throw the ball, the ball cannot be pitched or hit, so what is so "live" about the ball other than to get umpires to argue over who said what about who is watching whom first and whether "backing" into position is acceptable at any level of the game!