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Old Fri Jun 12, 2009, 09:38am
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Just out of curiosity, was it the jack*ss comment that got him rung? lets say he said bunch of amateurs instead, or thats terrible, or even thats f'n terrible, is he still gone?

what if they laugh at you?

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I haven't decided if I should call it from the dugout or the outfield. Apparently, both have really great views!

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Old Fri Jun 12, 2009, 09:43am
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If you're an umpire, then you ought to know better than to ask that question.

It's never what they say. It's how they say it.
Even if you agree.
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Old Fri Jun 12, 2009, 09:47am
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Even if you agree.
Yeah, well... Just because you boned up a call doesn't mean a coach has the right to be disrespectful towards you. Period.

I don't get disrespectful towards a coach when he screws up and gets his team crushed, do I? Hell no.
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I haven't decided if I should call it from the dugout or the outfield. Apparently, both have really great views!

Screw green, it ain't easy being blue!

I won't be coming here that much anymore. I might check in now and again.
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Old Fri Jun 12, 2009, 10:46am
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Yeah, well... Just because you boned up a call doesn't mean a coach has the right to be disrespectful towards you. Period.

I don't get disrespectful towards a coach when he screws up and gets his team crushed, do I? Hell no.
It was not a question. But I clicked the wrong icon. s/b
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Old Fri Jun 12, 2009, 10:48am
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It was not a question. But I clicked the wrong icon. s/b
Ahhh... Gotcha.
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I haven't decided if I should call it from the dugout or the outfield. Apparently, both have really great views!

Screw green, it ain't easy being blue!

I won't be coming here that much anymore. I might check in now and again.
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Old Fri Jun 12, 2009, 01:14pm
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Yes, but....

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Yeah, well... Just because you boned up a call doesn't mean a coach has the right to be disrespectful towards you. Period.

I don't get disrespectful towards a coach when he screws up and gets his team crushed, do I? Hell no.
You are operating under the delusion that it is a reciprocal street. It's not. It's a one way street. The coaches can make all the coaching errors they want. However, we can not make any!
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Old Fri Jun 12, 2009, 01:41pm
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You are operating under the delusion that it is a reciprocal street. It's not. It's a one way street. The coaches can make all the coaching errors they want. However, we can not make any!
You are operating under the delusion that I'm delusional about it being a two-way street.

However, the respect is a two-way street. I respect coaches. I may not like them, and they may not like me. There are teams that I don't like. There are teams that I can barely stand. There are players that I downright loathe. There are games that I work that, upon my arrival, a part of me groans when I see who is playing whom.

However, at the start of each new game, each team has my respect. By that, I mean that I will speak to them respectfully. I will not speak down to them by addressing men as "son" or "boy," or by addressing women as "honey," "sweetie, or darlin'." I will, regardless of any history, give each participant a "fresh start." I will do everything in my power as a human being (flawed as I may be) to not allow any past or current grievances to unduly influence my judgment or rule interpretations.

I am a professional.

I expect and demand the same from the teams. If the participants of the game do not afford me the same respect I give to them, then the game breaks down, and I will do what I can to preserve the integrity of the game. If that means that players or coaches must leave, then so be it.

The bottom line is: if you respect my role in the game, I will extend you the same respect.
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I haven't decided if I should call it from the dugout or the outfield. Apparently, both have really great views!

Screw green, it ain't easy being blue!

I won't be coming here that much anymore. I might check in now and again.
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Old Fri Jun 12, 2009, 01:47pm
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You took me way too seriously....

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You are operating under the delusion that I'm delusional about it being a two-way street.

However, the respect is a two-way street. I respect coaches. I may not like them, and they may not like me. There are teams that I don't like. There are teams that I can barely stand. There are players that I downright loathe. There are games that I work that, upon my arrival, a part of me groans when I see who is playing whom.

However, at the start of each new game, each team has my respect. By that, I mean that I will speak to them respectfully. I will not speak down to them by addressing men as "son" or "boy," or by addressing women as "honey," "sweetie, or darlin'." I will, regardless of any history, give each participant a "fresh start." I will do everything in my power as a human being (flawed as I may be) to not allow any past or current grievances to unduly influence my judgment or rule interpretations.

I am a professional.

I expect and demand the same from the teams. If the participants of the game do not afford me the same respect I give to them, then the game breaks down, and I will do what I can to preserve the integrity of the game. If that means that players or coaches must leave, then so be it.

The bottom line is: if you respect my role in the game, I will extend you the same respect.
I agree completely. I should have put a smiley behind my comment! It was meant as a joke.
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Old Fri Jun 12, 2009, 01:52pm
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I agree completely. I should have put a smiley behind my comment! It was meant as a joke.
Oh, I know you weren't that serious.

However, the reality is that we, unfortunately, do have to deal with those idiots who do not extend respect our way. They loathe us, they curse us and they scorn us. We are the "necessary evil" that, if the coaches had their way, would be replaced with robots with high-speed cameras in a heartbeat.

And the coaches would STILL complain that the call was wrong!
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I haven't decided if I should call it from the dugout or the outfield. Apparently, both have really great views!

Screw green, it ain't easy being blue!

I won't be coming here that much anymore. I might check in now and again.
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Old Fri Jun 12, 2009, 12:25pm
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If you're an umpire, then you ought to know better than to ask that question.

It's never what they say. It's how they say it.
Im a newbie umpire, just wanted to know someone else perspective on tossing players/coaches. You always hear commentators for pro sports say so and so said the "magic words" and got tossed.

As a player, I never swear at an ump, although if a call was really bad I may use a curse word for effect, like "you gotta be sh*ttin me"

on a side note, the best one I ever heard was in a baseball game, ump calls strike 3 on a ball that was at the batters eyes, the batter says a bunch of things among them was "bring you dog to the game next time" intimating the ump uses a seeing eye dog.
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Old Fri Jun 12, 2009, 12:33pm
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Old Fri Jun 12, 2009, 01:11pm
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Hang on... I need to turn on my text-to-speech to read that, Mike...
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I haven't decided if I should call it from the dugout or the outfield. Apparently, both have really great views!

Screw green, it ain't easy being blue!

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Old Fri Jun 12, 2009, 01:11pm
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Im a newbie umpire, just wanted to know someone else perspective on tossing players/coaches. You always hear commentators for pro sports say so and so said the "magic words" and got tossed.
Magic words for me are (amongst others) anything questioning my integrity and trying to intimidate me through scheduling.

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on a side note, the best one I ever heard was in a baseball game, ump calls strike 3 on a ball that was at the batters eyes, the batter says a bunch of things among them was "bring you dog to the game next time" intimating the ump uses a seeing eye dog.
That'll more than likely get him ran.
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Old Fri Jun 12, 2009, 01:13pm
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on a side note, the best one I ever heard was in a baseball game, ump calls strike 3 on a ball that was at the batters eyes, the batter says a bunch of things among them was "bring you dog to the game next time" intimating the ump uses a seeing eye dog.
"Gladly! He's a Doberman, loves eating (I mean meeting) coaches, and is certainly better-behaved than you. See ya, coach!"
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