strike zone wcws

[wadeintothem]

I havent got to watch the game yet, but I will.

I think softball has to do more to learn how to work TV games. If a ball looked way outside to everyone - then it was way outside. The public is not sitting there saying "wow that angle is off". They are saying "Whats wrong with these umpires?". So even if it was a bad angle, it doesnt matter. "History" records it as a bad call.

Angles CAN properly show a pitch - they put a dang yellow box up in MLB. So if NCAA and ESPN need to work on a camera angle, ESPN sure knows how to do that. Otherwise, what was seen is what it was. Period. And our credibility is hurt a little by that angle (if its a bad angle) OR it was simply a bad call and she missed it.

The umpires view is not expressed to the public at large. Ronald is just expressing what everyone else thinks about that pitch as well. So NCAA umpire staff need to take the post season games, and look very closely at them.. There is much to be improved IMO. This has been a very rough post season from an Umpiring point of view.

[SRW]

When you guys see a good backdoor curve and call it a ball, you'll know you missed the pitch. Everyone in the park will tell ya.

I agree with Sally, bkbjones, and others here - those were strikes through and through.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by SRW

When you guys see a good backdoor curve and call it a ball, you'll know you missed the pitch. Everyone in the park will tell ya.

I agree with Sally, bkbjones, and others here - those were strikes through and through.

Since when do we as umpires listen to what everyone at the park says? If that's the case, the next time a fly ball is over foul territory when the ball is touched but not caught by the defender who is in fair territory then its a fair ball. At least that's what the majority at the park will be screaming!

Or the next time they yell the hands are part of the bat.

There's a lot they yell about that they are wrong about. We shouldn't base on judgements on what they yell about it.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by rwest

If that's the case, the next time a fly ball is over foul territory when the ball is touched but not caught by the defender who is in fair territory then its a fair ball.

I didn't know you could see that game from all the way in Georgia. Oh, that happens to others, too.


Didn't anyone tell you to call "foul player" instead of "foul ball"?


BTW, be sure you call it foul before checking for a catch.

[argodad]

Originally Posted by Dholloway1962

Obviously she is a friend of yours so you are sticking up for her. Sorry, but she has been horribly inconsistent the entire WCWS. Especially the outside corner. Not saying I'm any better, but she needs to get more consistent!

IMHO, Sally has had a rough tournament. I believe she would say so herself.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by argodad

IMHO, Sally has had a rough tournament. I believe she would say so herself.

I think that whole crew has had a rough tournament.. it happens.

Not the best showing though for a high profile event.

IMO, if it were the Baseball World Series and these things were going on, all hell would break lose.

[SRW]

Originally Posted by rwest

Since when do we as umpires listen to what everyone at the park says? If that's the case, the next time a fly ball is over foul territory when the ball is touched but not caught by the defender who is in fair territory then its a fair ball. At least that's what the majority at the park will be screaming!

Or the next time they yell the hands are part of the bat.

There's a lot they yell about that they are wrong about. We shouldn't base on judgements on what they yell about it.

You missed my point.

[TheSlav]

just rang a FLA batter up looking, the catcher "stuck" the pitch.

WA catcher just tried to "pull" one back, BALL.

He looks like he's 6-foot plus so he can see better over the top even though he is working the slot. His head height is better. So he has better view/command of the SZ.

Last night was more guess work and bad guess work at that, especially low corners. The catcher told you they were BALLS that were being called strikes--camera angle is a smokescreen. She should have been told to simply "stick" the strikes. If you pull it back-it's a BALL. All day. That's umpiring 101. And Catching 101 for that matter.

[SethPDX]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

I think that whole crew has had a rough tournament.. it happens.

Not the best showing though for a high profile event.

IMO, if it were the Baseball World Series and these things were going on, all hell would break lose.

On the baseball board during last year's Series all hell did break loose.

All I will say is some people on this thread have more in common with baseball umpires than they think.

[wadeintothem]

Big league game behind the plate tonight though - very nicely done. I guess the camera angles were very good tonight.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by TheSlav

just rang a FLA batter up looking, the catcher "stuck" the pitch.

WA catcher just tried to "pull" one back, BALL.

He looks like he's 6-foot plus so he can see better over the top even though he is working the slot. His head height is better. So he has better view/command of the SZ.

Last night was more guess work and bad guess work at that, especially low corners. The catcher told you they were BALLS that were being called strikes--camera angle is a smokescreen. She should have been told to simply "stick" the strikes. If you pull it back-it's a BALL. All day. That's umpiring 101. And Catching 101 for that matter.

ROTFLMFAOASASP!!!

[ronald]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

ROTFLMFAOASASP!!!

Translation, please and thanks.

[clev1967]

As far as the comment about not listening to what people are yelling. If you think about it the strike zone in softball and baseball for that matter has been defined over the years by people yelling. If it was'nt then why is it so much smaller than the rule book says. Mainly talking about the high pitch. We strive for quiet and if people are always yelling about our strike zone we change it.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by clev1967

As far as the comment about not listening to what people are yelling. If you think about it the strike zone in softball and baseball for that matter has been defined over the years by people yelling. If it was'nt then why is it so much smaller than the rule book says. Mainly talking about the high pitch. We strive for quiet and if people are always yelling about our strike zone we change it.

If your strike zone is screwed up, you will know about it and you need to work to fix it. I agree with you.

[HugoTafurst]

Forget about the umpires...

The Gators played those two games like a bunch of Little Leaguers. (no offense to LL).