Rookie Question

[TwoBits]

Originally Posted by Umpteenth

Rookie here, not ashamed to admit it. Glad I found this forum; I read frequently and only want to improve my skills. Which leads to my situation tonight. ASA, Men's SP, Wreck league.

At least you've got the terminology for this level of play correct.

[Umpteenth]

Originally Posted by TwoBits

At least you've got the terminology for this level of play correct.

Just proves that I have been reading this site, cuz that term sure fits!

Thanks for the replies. I can see improvements to some of the details in the way I handled this (again, thinking preventive and not reactive, and making sure he was referring to R1 [as I recall he pointed to the runner in question, so it was clear, but could have been verbalized]), but most important is making the right call.

I'll review the mechanics section for ASA 2 umpire system. The first games I worked this season, my partners stressed that PU had 1st and 3rd on tag-ups and BU had 2nd. My book is at home, so I'll read that later.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Umpteenth

Just proves that I have been reading this site, cuz that term sure fits!

We like you already!

Originally Posted by Umpteenth

Thanks for the replies. I can see improvements to some of the details in the way I handled this (again, thinking preventive and not reactive, and making sure he was referring to R1 [as I recall he pointed to the runner in question, so it was clear, but could have been verbalized]), but most important is making the right call.

In that case, yeah, it's clear that the infielder is properly appealing a specific runner.

Originally Posted by Umpteenth

I'll review the mechanics section for ASA 2 umpire system. The first games I worked this season, my partners stressed that PU had 1st and 3rd on tag-ups and BU had 2nd. My book is at home, so I'll read that later.

According to the strict letter of ASA, your partners were wrong. The book on page 253 says...

THE PLATE UMPIRE has tag responsibilities under the following situations:
1. All runners at third base.
2. The runner at Second Base with runners at first and Second Base.
THE BASE UMPIRE has tag responsibilities under the following situations:
1. All runners at First Base.
2. The runner at Second Base with runners at second and third bases or Sec-
ond Base only.
3. Runners at first and Second Base when the bases are full.

[NCASAUmp]

To add a little clarification to my previous post (that I was going to provide until my boss came in and wanted to work on a project - damn work!), there is a note after my quoted section...

NOTE: These tag-up procedures should be followed at all times, UNLESS there is COMMUNICATION between both umpires. These responsibilities are covered in the duties listed on the following pages.

The caps were not done by me, they were done by ASA. We can't emphasize enough that umpires need to communicate before, during and after the game. If you pregame this kind of deviation, you shouldn't run into problems with double-calls.

ASA is a little rigid when it comes to mechanics and responsibilities. As such, deviations from said mechanics and responsibilities. However, when you have tens of thousands of registered umpires across the US that need to be trained from the ground up, a little rigidity is to be expected.

But that's a whole 'nother debate we won't get into. My only goal here is to relay what the book says.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

...According to the strict letter of ASA, your partners were wrong. The book on page 253 says...

As the new guy, he should probably go with the local mechanic (at least for now).

ASA is excessively wordy:
Plate Umpire has tag up responsibility for
1) Runner at 3B
2) Lead runner with multiple runners on

Base Umpire has tag up responsibility for
1) All others

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Dakota

As the new guy, he should probably go with the local mechanic (at least for now).

I agree, but since it's a deviation, I'd pregame it. I wouldn't say, "well, lookie here, Mr. Veteran Ump, ASA says we should..." However, I would simply ask, "so, how do you want to do tag-ups?"

Originally Posted by Dakota

ASA is excessively wordy:
Plate Umpire has tag up responsibility for
1) Runner at 3B
2) Lead runner with multiple runners on

Base Umpire has tag up responsibility for
1) All others

What's so hard about that? That was even shorter than my explanation!

[hawk65]

The OP states, "After my partner called time and the ball is dead, D3 says to me, Blue did he leave early? I banged R1 for 3rd out, as he did leave early." D3 implies the first baseman made appeal. For which runner? There is no mention that the defense touched the bag or the runner. Did D3 touch 1st, 2nd or any bag? Did D3 have the ball?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by hawk65

The OP states, "After my partner called time and the ball is dead, D3 says to me, Blue did he leave early? I banged R1 for 3rd out, as he did leave early." D3 implies the first baseman made appeal. For which runner? There is no mention that the defense touched the bag or the runner. Did D3 touch 1st, 2nd or any bag? Did D3 have the ball?

New to softball?

As noted, this was a dead ball situation, so there is no need to have the ball or to touch a base or tag the player, just ask for the appeal.

And as subsequently posted, the infielder did indicate which runner was being appealed.

Of course, I'm still trying to figure out what a D3 is

[Umpteenth]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Of course, I'm still trying to figure out what a D3 is

Well, I was either referring to the defensive player in position 3 (aka 1st Baseman), or I typo'd (D is next to F). You make the call!

Yeah, it should have been F3 (but like my OP stated, I'm a rookie!)

[hawk65]

My bad... I didn't realize this difference in a live-ball or dead-ball appeal. Better to learn now by this mistake than look foolish on a field.....

[SethPDX]

Originally Posted by hawk65

There is no mention that the defense touched the bag or the runner. Did D3 touch 1st, 2nd or any bag? Did D3 have the ball?

None of that is required in ASA or NFHS. The appropriate rule was quoted in a post above. In LL SB and BB, the live-ball appeal is the only option. That's what you get for copying OBR (but that's getting off topic ).

As for the OP, you did fine. Welcome to the site.