wiping out b.box lines

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Unless strike three, how can the player be restricted to the bench and continue to bat at the same time?

Uh substitution?

Or did this one go over my head?.....

[wadeintothem]

One of the lamer rules in NFHS...

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst

Uh substitution?

Or did this one go over my head?.....

And if there is no sub available?

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

And if there is no sub available?

I've got an out. This is basically the same as an ejection, but NFHS likes to restrict to the dugout rather than remove them from the park.

Reminder: I do ASA, not NFHS.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

...This is basically the same as an ejection, but NFHS likes to restrict to the dugout rather than remove them from the park....

This is not correct, exactly.

NFHS has a 3 tier sanction system for players/coaches/teams infractions.

1) Warning. a) This is given for the first offense of a minor or less serious infraction, such as carelessly throwing a bat, illegal equipment, intentionally removing the lines, etc. b) A warning can also be given for an unsporting act judged to be minor.

2) Restriction to the dugout/bench. This is given for the second offense of the minor or less serious infraction of the kind in 1) a).

3) Ejection. This is given without warning for a serious unsporting act, such as malicious contact and fighting. It will also be given after a warning for a minor unsporting act that is repeated or if an infraction that resulted in restriction to the bench is repeated.

NFHS does not require minor children who are ejected to be removed from the ball park, but it does require ejected coaches to leave the area.

Also, typically, ejection carries additional penalties imposed by the state association (e.g. multi-game suspensions and the like) whereas restriction typically does not.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Dakota

This is not correct, exactly.

NFHS has a 3 tier sanction system for players/coaches/teams infractions.

1) Warning. a) This is given for the first offense of a minor or less serious infraction, such as carelessly throwing a bat, illegal equipment, intentionally removing the lines, etc. b) A warning can also be given for an unsporting act judged to be minor.

2) Restriction to the dugout/bench. This is given for the second offense of the minor or less serious infraction of the kind in 1) a).

3) Ejection. This is given without warning for a serious unsporting act, such as malicious contact and fighting. It will also be given after a warning for a minor unsporting act that is repeated or if an infraction that resulted in restriction to the bench is repeated.

NFHS does not require minor children who are ejected to be removed from the ball park, but it does require ejected coaches to leave the area.

Also, typically, ejection carries additional penalties imposed by the state association (e.g. multi-game suspensions and the like) whereas restriction typically does not.

I'm not seeing what you and I are saying as being mutually exclusive, nor was I implying that NFHS does not have ejections. I was saying that they prefer restrictions to the dugout rather than an ejection. My statement had more to do with how you handle "what comes next," which is roughly the same as if you had ejected the player.

But again, I reiterate that I'm ASA-only, so take my statements for what you will. This is just how it's been explained to me in the past by guys in our area who call HS softball.

[Dakota]

Well, the umpire does not EVER have a choice between restriction or ejection. A restriction is not ever given when an ejection could be an option.

Depending on the infraction, it goes like this:

Infraction type 1: Warn, if repeated, restrict, if repeated again, eject
Infraction type 2: Warn, if repeated, eject
Infraction type 3: Eject immediately

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Well, the umpire does not EVER have a choice between restriction or ejection. A restriction is not ever given when an ejection could be an option.

Depending on the infraction, it goes like this:

Infraction type 1: Warn, if repeated, restrict, if repeated again, eject
Infraction type 2: Warn, if repeated, eject
Infraction type 3: Eject immediately

I didn't say the umpire. I said NFHS.

[Andy]

FWIW....for HS ball in AZ, coaches can either be restricted to the dugout or ejected. If ejected, they are to leave the premises (sight and sound). We require our umpires to file an ejection report with the state office on an ejection of the coach and there will probably be additional sanctions.

HS players are not to be "ejected", they are to be restricted to the dugout. This is considered equivalent to an ejection for that player. We also ask the umpire to file an ejection report with the state office in this case. My understanding is that we cannot send a HS player out of sight and sound due to the liability issues.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by Dakota

... or if an infraction that resulted in restriction to the bench is repeated.

You srue about this one. I thought it was second and all subsequent offenders restricted to the bench.
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[Dakota]

Originally Posted by youngump

You srue about this one. I thought it was second and all subsequent offenders restricted to the bench.

True for all subsequent offenders, but repeated misconduct by the same restricted offender results in an ejection.

Rule 3 SECTION 6 BENCH AND FIELD CONDUCT
ART. 20 . . . Any participant restricted to the bench/dugout for the remainder of the game shall be ejected for subsequent misconduct. A player who is restricted or ejected shall remain in the dugout/bench area. A coach who is ejected shall leave the vicinity (out of sight and out of sound) of the playing area immediately and is prohibited from any further contact (direct or indirect) with the team during the remainder of the game. Failure to comply with the rules of ejection shall result in the game being forfeited.
NOTE: State association policies will determine the conditions under which a game may or may not continue if the coach is ejected, and shall determine penalties to be imposed if an ejected coach violates the rule.