When does player officially leave the game

[youngump]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Simple. Goes like this...

"Oh coach, I'm not batting so well today."

"No problem, Mary. Fake an injury and we'll go shorthanded. After your batting spot is skipped, we'll put you back on defense in this tight game."

"Thanks, coach! You're swell!"

Okay, cheesy, I know. But don't think for a moment that a coach wouldn't pull that if given the option.

But that would result in an out. The advantage to not playing defense is the question.
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[Dakota]

Assume runners on 1st and 3rd, 1 out. B9 due up, tends to GIDP. B1 follows who has a 500 OBP and a 400 BA. Coaches play the odds. But, it would be simpler to just give B9 the "take" sign on every pitch...

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by youngump

But that would result in an out. The advantage to not playing defense is the question.

How's this for a philosophy?

If she isn't physically capable to stand in one spot on defense, she probably shouldn't be batting and running the bases, either.

Or,

You can't have a DP without the FLEX.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

How's this for a philosophy?

If she isn't physically capable to stand in one spot on defense, she probably shouldn't be batting and running the bases, either.

Or,

You can't have a DP without the FLEX.

All great, but is there an advantage gained?
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[Dakota]

Originally Posted by youngump

All great, but is there an advantage gained?

I really doesn't matter. The shorthanded rule is there, as Mike has said over and over, to give the shorthanded team a break and avoid a forfeit. The rule about no re-entry of the player who leaves to create the shorthanded situation is to prevent it from becoming anything else.

[whiskers_ump]

Originally Posted by youngump

All great, but is there an advantage gained?

Would you not called an illegal pitch because there was no advantage gained?

Just because there is no "advantage gained", if it is a violation of the
rule set you are utilizing, you should call it. Don't believe that any rule set
says forget it if "No Advantage is gained."

[youngump]

Originally Posted by whiskers_ump

Would you not called an illegal pitch because there was no advantage gained?

Just because there is no "advantage gained", if it is a violation of the
rule set you are utilizing, you should call it. Don't believe that any rule set
says forget it if "No Advantage is gained."

Perhaps I've been unclear here. I don't see any ambiguity in the rule. If we go shorthanded, I know not to let the player back in. I'm questioning the worth of the rule as written by asking how the defense gains any advantage from playing 8 players instead of 9.
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[Dakota]

Defense or offense, they would gain an advantage beyond merely allowing the game to continue. They would be allowed to remove a player from the game without having a sub available and then re-enter that player.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Defense or offense, they would gain an advantage beyond merely allowing the game to continue. They would be allowed to remove a player from the game without having a sub available and then re-enter that player.

Tom, I don't mean to come across as dense, but I'm not getting it. I don't see the advantage to that. The only reason you'd call that an advantage is because it'd be suspending some other rule. If there were no rule that said that you couldn't play defense with less people, would there be an argument for making one?
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