Is this right ?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

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Originally Posted by Dakota
Yes, but since ASA has now placed the direct requirement of having the hands separated into the rule, I assume the IP (DDB) signal goes out at that moment, right? Do you nullify the call if she disengages (I assume so, but it would then lead to a discussion with the OC, I'd expect...).


However, in this case it is not DDB. As I said earlier, some IP do not require a dead ball (NFHS 6-1-1, 6-2-2, 6-2-3), so the IP is immediate, the ball is dead immediately.

What I have gathered so far is the following (assuming the reported statements by a couple of the members of the NUS are correct):

If the pitcher steps onto the plate with the hands together, this is an illegal pitch that cannot be remedied. The DDB signal is given, and the pitch is allowed to complete (assuming the pitcher completes it), and the penalty is assessed as normal after the pitch. If the pitcher stops the pitch or attempts to step back off the plate, a dead ball is declared and the IP penalty assessed.

Right?

[FullCount]

Originally Posted by Dakota

What I have gathered so far is the following (assuming the reported statements by a couple of the members of the NUS are correct):

If the pitcher steps onto the plate with the hands together, this is an illegal pitch that cannot be remedied. The DDB signal is given, and the pitch is allowed to complete (assuming the pitcher completes it), and the penalty is assessed as normal after the pitch. If the pitcher stops the pitch or attempts to step back off the plate, a dead ball is declared and the IP penalty assessed.

Right?

That is the understanding that I took away and I felt they went to great length in both of the clinics to make that point. However I don't have the experience nor the involvement with rule making that Steve or Mike have so I'm hoping they chime back in. Steve definitely appears to have a different understanding and I respect his input.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Dakota

What I have gathered so far is the following (assuming the reported statements by a couple of the members of the NUS are correct):

If the pitcher steps onto the plate with the hands together, this is an illegal pitch that cannot be remedied. The DDB signal is given, and the pitch is allowed to complete (assuming the pitcher completes it), and the penalty is assessed as normal after the pitch. If the pitcher stops the pitch or attempts to step back off the plate, a dead ball is declared and the IP penalty assessed.

Right?

If it's an IP, cannot be remedied, doesn't that mean it is illegal whether completed or not. The rules I quoted do not include delay in the penalty, the others do.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

If it's an IP, cannot be remedied, doesn't that mean it is illegal whether completed or not. The rules I quoted do not include delay in the penalty, the others do.

The IP is considered an infraction by the defense to put the offense at a disadvantage. The DDB is to allow the offense the opportunity to get all they can get from the play rather than kill the play. Because if this, in general, I think the NFHS interpretations of declaring a dead ball before the pitch even starts are not what I would do if I was making the rules. Now, allowing the pitcher to disengage and nullify the IP is another matter entirely. But, a strict reading of the rules allows this.