Whats the call?

[DaveASA/FED]

Batter hits a ground ball dribbler in foul territory down first base line and runs into F3 as she is attempting to field the ball. The ball is first touched in foul territory by F1 who is coming further up the line and fields the ball that F3 missed due to the contact.

So what is your call?

[SRW]

Out.
ASA 8-2-F(1)

[DaveASA/FED]

Well SRW that's one way to look at it, any other votes?

[youngump]

Originally Posted by DaveASA/FED

Well SRW that's one way to look at it, any other votes?

I agree with SRW as to how I will continue to call it on the field. However, as was pointed out in the other thread where I also said I was going to ignore the book and call it as intended: 8-2-F is interference by the batter runner. 8-2-1 defines when the batter becomes a batter-runner. Hitting a foul ball doesn't qualify.

Nonetheless, in spite of not getting much response there, I believe this is how people are actually calling it. Note, I'd also apply the definition of foul here to the batter in a similar disregard for the book. That is this is a foul ball as soon as the interference occurs so no subsequent action counts just as if any runner had committed the interference. So I'd be sending runners back to TOP not last base touched before the interference. (Not that these would be different in an OP like this.)
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[SRW]

Originally Posted by SRW

Out.
ASA 8-2-F(1)

It's taken 85+ posts to finally convince me that my original interpretation of this scenario is wrong.

I've now got a foul ball in the OP.

[Texasbock]

Originally Posted by SRW

It's taken 85+ posts to finally convince me that my original interpretation of this scenario is wrong.

I've now got a foul ball in the OP.

Are you sure about that?

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by Texasbock

Are you sure about that?

Here we go again.....

[SRW]

Originally Posted by Texasbock

Are you sure about that?

Yep.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by SRW

Yep.

So, I think the case is fairly convincing as well because in the OP there is no attempt to make a play. What about in the case where the ball is slightly foul, headed fair and the fielder is trying to play it in fair territory? Then you did meet the definition of a play, no?
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[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Texasbock

Are you sure about that?

Why? Do you still think it may have been too close to the line?

[Texasbock]

Just thinking out loud without benefit of scripture and verse of the rulebook......

As PU, I would be interested in how far foul the ball actually is. (i.e.) Is it one of those squibblers that has potential to roll in fair territory but did not because the batter-runner interfered with the play? (Then I think you could definitely have interference - judgment call) or Is it several feet foul where there was no possible way the ball could be fair in your judgment, (Then I would think you would rule a foul ball......)

Now, y'all can all beat me up....

[NCASAUmp]

How far in foul territory a ball is makes no difference on the call (unless it's in dead ball territory). A ball dribbling down the line in foul territory is not fair or foul until something MAKES it fair or foul. 8-2-F does not require the ball to be a fair batted ball.

I've got an out on the B/R for INT, and all other runners returning to their previously-touched bases as per 8-2-F.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

How far in foul territory a ball is makes no difference on the call (unless it's in dead ball territory). A ball dribbling down the line in foul territory is not fair or foul until something MAKES it fair or foul. 8-2-F does not require the ball to be a fair batted ball.

I've got an out on the B/R for INT, and all other runners returning to their previously-touched bases as per 8-2-F.

Except, that you don't have a BR, because he hasn't met any of the terms in 8-1.
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[Texasbock]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

How far in foul territory a ball is makes no difference on the call (unless it's in dead ball territory). A ball dribbling down the line in foul territory is not fair or foul until something MAKES it fair or foul. 8-2-F does not require the ball to be a fair batted ball.

How does a ball dribble down the line in foul territory?

I've got an out on the B/R for INT, and all other runners returning to their previously-touched bases as per 8-2-F.

If the batter fouls one off in the dirt and the catcher reaches down on the ground to field the foul ball in the dirt and the batter haphazardly gets in her way, are you going to rule INT at that point?

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Texasbock

How does a ball dribble down the line in foul territory?

Okay, Mr. Picky-Pants. Dribbling near the line.

Originally Posted by Texasbock

If the batter fouls one off in the dirt and the catcher reaches down on the ground to field the foul ball in the dirt and the batter haphazardly gets in her way, are you going to rule INT at that point?

Hell no. And it's called survival.