Proposed ASA Rule Changes #1

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by tcannizzo

Short-handed is still the same. Drop below 8 and you are done.

No, that is not the rule, COACH!

The rule states:

4.1.D.2 If a team begins play with the required number of players as listed, that team may continue a game with one less player than is currently in the batting order whenever a players leave the game for any reason other than ejection.

Notice it states one less than is currently in the batting order, not one less than the required number to begin the game.

That means if the batting order includes 14 players, one leaves and another is injured to the point of not being able to continue, the game is over.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

No, that is not the rule, COACH!

The rule states:

4.1.D.2 If a team begins play with the required number of players as listed, that team may continue a game with one less player than is currently in the batting order whenever a players leave the game for any reason other than ejection.

Notice it states one less than is currently in the batting order, not one less than the required number to begin the game.

That means if the batting order includes 14 players, one leaves and another is injured to the point of not being able to continue, the game is over.

Yes, if they are going to add bat-the-roster to the rule book, they will need to address the side effects. Among them are:

1) Shorthanded rule. What does shorthanded mean in a bat-the-roster game? If they drop down 1 (from, say, 14 to 13), do they take an out?

2) What about ejections? If one player is ejected, do they now forfeit (can't play shorthanded due to ejection).

3) Two players down... is it a forfeit to go from 14 to 12? (Mike's example)

4) Courtesy runner rule. Since everyone is batting, does this mean no courtesy runners?

If this gets added, I certainly hope the ASA conference / convention / convocation (whatever it is called) does not muck this rule up as badly as your typical rec league does.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Yes, if they are going to add bat-the-roster to the rule book, they will need to address the side effects. Among them are:

1) Shorthanded rule. What does shorthanded mean in a bat-the-roster game? If they drop down 1 (from, say, 14 to 13), do they take an out?

answered

2) What about ejections? If one player is ejected, do they now forfeit (can't play shorthanded due to ejection).

answered

3) Two players down... is it a forfeit to go from 14 to 12? (Mike's example)

answered

4) Courtesy runner rule. Since everyone is batting, does this mean no courtesy runners?

By rule, no.

There are no proposals to change the rule regarding playing shorthand. For that matter, a note attached to the change in 4.1.C states that the shorthanded rule would apply is it does presently.

If this gets added, I certainly hope the ASA conference / convention / convocation (whatever it is called) does not muck this rule up as badly as your typical rec league does.[/quote]

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

There are no proposals to change the rule regarding playing shorthand. For that matter, a note attached to the change in 4.1.C states that the shorthanded rule would apply is it does presently

Then, if the goal is participation, the rule is counterproductive. Leagues that would use this rule are by their nature less formal. Kids come and go ... arrive late, leave early, etc. Charging an out in a lineup that is batting 13, just because they started with 14 is silly. And, declaring a forfeit for a team being "shorthanded" when they still have 12 players on the bench eligible to play is even sillier. Giving up the courtesy runner is not that big a deal, but rec leagues can use all the help they can get to keep the game moving, so it is, again, counterprodutive.

[tcannizzo]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

No, that is not the rule, COACH!

The rule states:

4.1.D.2 If a team begins play with the required number of players as listed, that team may continue a game with one less player than is currently in the batting order whenever a players leave the game for any reason other than ejection.

Notice it states one less than is currently in the batting order, not one less than the required number to begin the game.

That means if the batting order includes 14 players, one leaves and another is injured to the point of not being able to continue, the game is over.

Ya got me, BLUE!!!
If the rule get written as described, then I would not be in favor of the rule for GFP.