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Old Fri Oct 24, 2008, 10:54am
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Other than the Samoan United Independent Party, what's SUIP?
Cactus Umpires: College Softball
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Old Fri Oct 24, 2008, 11:53am
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Put aside from where the change came, why it was made, and who it affects. Forget how long we've been doing it the other way. Considering the angles and depth perception each of the 2 positions (on the line or rotated / your favorite, counter-rotated) offer, which umpire can make the most informed decision?
IMO, the umpire which has a more accessible view from the open side of the batter.

Unless the umpire is positoned up the middle (which I don't think is as necessary in FP as SP), U1 is going have a better view of the RHB and U3 of the LHB.

I agree that the B or C does not offer the best position, but they do offer a full view of the bat, arms and hips of the batter. The umpire on the line looking at the back of the batter will see more of the batter's backside than anything else. Think about the slapper that runs up, but checks low. U1 may be guessing, at best.

Other thoughts include a runner on first. U1 is now responsible for:

Illegal pitches
Runner maintaining contact with bag
Check swing

Meanwhile, U3 is responsible for:

?

I would really love to hear the SUIP's reasoning behind this change. Maybe there is something I'm not seeing here.

Much to the dismay of the ASA bashers, the source is irrelevant. I would have the same opinion no matter who put this out, NCAA, NFHS, ASA, NAFA, USSSA, NSA, USFA, TC, LL, BR, etc.


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Old Fri Oct 24, 2008, 03:15pm
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Put aside from where the change came, why it was made, and who it affects. Forget how long we've been doing it the other way. Considering the angles and depth perception each of the 2 positions (on the line or rotated / your favorite, counter-rotated) offer, which umpire can make the most informed decision?
Probly the mom sitting in the 18th row, seat eight, Section H, who has stretch marks around her mouth from airing out fellow blues for the last 10 years. Just ask her.
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Old Fri Oct 24, 2008, 03:17pm
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Probly the mom sitting in the 18th row, seat eight, Section H, who has stretch marks around her mouth from airing out fellow blues for the last 10 years. Just ask her.
John, I believe the correct terminology is "blowing," not "airing out."
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I haven't decided if I should call it from the dugout or the outfield. Apparently, both have really great views!

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Old Fri Oct 24, 2008, 03:48pm
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IMO, the umpire which has a more accessible view from the open side of the batter.

Unless the umpire is positoned up the middle (which I don't think is as necessary in FP as SP), U1 is going have a better view of the RHB and U3 of the LHB.

I agree that the B or C does not offer the best position, but they do offer a full view of the bat, arms and hips of the batter. The umpire on the line looking at the back of the batter will see more of the batter's backside than anything else. Think about the slapper that runs up, but checks low. U1 may be guessing, at best.

Other thoughts include a runner on first. U1 is not responsible for:

Illegal pitches
Runner maintaining contact with bag
Check swing

Meanwhile, U3 is responsible for:

?

I would really love to hear the SUIP's reasoning behind this change. Maybe there is something I'm not seeing here.

Much to the dismay of the ASA bashers, the source is irrelevant. I would have the same opinion no matter who put this out, NCAA, NFHS, ASA, NAFA, USSSA, NSA, USFA, TC, LL, BR, etc.
What Irish said.

So, with a RH batter and U1 in position B, out by F4, U3 on the 3B line has a better view of the check swing? I call shenanigans.
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Old Sat Oct 25, 2008, 09:38am
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Put aside from where the change came, why it was made, and who it affects. Forget how long we've been doing it the other way. Considering the angles and depth perception each of the 2 positions (on the line or rotated / your favorite, counter-rotated) offer, which umpire can make the most informed decision?

Now you talking about me.
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