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Old Wed Jul 30, 2008, 08:17pm
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I say you still need to call the runner out for missing second, back to that. You can not change the call because your part let it slip. The runner still missed the base. Let the BU call them out and get ready to take a beating.
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Old Thu Jul 31, 2008, 09:08am
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I say you still need to call the runner out for missing second, back to that. You can not change the call because your part let it slip. The runner still missed the base. Let the BU call them out and get ready to take a beating.
Who is this 'you?' Link aint calling the missed base, because he didn't see it, the BU did. That's HIS call.

..and HIS s**tstorm. The only one taking a beating here on the missed base is the BU...and he earned it.

Umpires own their calls, and defend their own calls.
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Old Thu Jul 31, 2008, 05:47pm
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Who is this 'you?' Link aint calling the missed base, because he didn't see it, the BU did. That's HIS call.

..and HIS s**tstorm. The only one taking a beating here on the missed base is the BU...and he earned it.

Umpires own their calls, and defend their own calls.
???

I guess "I" missed what "you" are generally saying. Since I agree, with you, or is it me, or him.

And you, that being yourself, do not think you, again yourself, are not going to hear it too, this too being for also, not two, or 2, or to.

Thank "you"

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Old Thu Jul 31, 2008, 05:48pm
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I bet your divorced, LMan. When your partner is a mess, you still back him...until the game is over. Then you either clear the air or refuse to work with him again. Of course, this includes that your own **** doesn't stink out there. You're married to your partner until the game is over or he dies on the field.
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Old Thu Jul 31, 2008, 05:57pm
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Like you have never missed one???

Why all the hate? There are posts saying get in position, how did you miss that play?

Well I have missed a tag standing 4 feet away, it happens, and I am sure it will happen again.

I know the swipe tag on a runner on third when you are the PU coming up the line is a AWFUL call to make. I will ask the BU for help on that with no reservations.

I also hate the BU rotating home and I do not use it.
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Old Thu Jul 31, 2008, 09:31pm
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Why all the hate? There are posts saying get in position, how did you miss that play?

Well I have missed a tag standing 4 feet away, it happens, and I am sure it will happen again.

I know the swipe tag on a runner on third when you are the PU coming up the line is a AWFUL call to make. I will ask the BU for help on that with no reservations.

I also hate the BU rotating home and I do not use it.
Get in position and make the call. The call is not "awful" if you let the throw take you to the right position.

I would never ask a partner for help on this one. I can't imagine an umpire actually doing this, to be honest.
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Old Fri Aug 01, 2008, 08:40am
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Get in position and make the call. The call is not "awful" if you let the throw take you to the right position.

I would never ask a partner for help on this one. I can't imagine an umpire actually doing this, to be honest.
"amen." If yall want to shadowbox on the forum, yall need to pick a more defensible scenario than this one.
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Old Fri Aug 01, 2008, 08:45am
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Moral of this whole scenario/story........Let the BU take the single runner into 3B. Then there isn't an issue at all.
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Old Fri Aug 01, 2008, 09:03am
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Get in position and make the call. The call is not "awful" if you let the throw take you to the right position.

I would never ask a partner for help on this one. I can't imagine an umpire actually doing this, to be honest.
I will ask for help on this play almost every time at third:

2 man crew, less then 2 outs, runner on second.

Ball to short stop, looks runner back, makes play to first, BU's call. Runner takes off to third, as PU I am taking the play at third. the throw draws the third baseman in and toward second. They make a swipe tag, and I as PU do not see any contact. Unless you are super man and you are standing at third looking down the base line to second, which you then left your part hanging on the pulled foot at first. Why not ask your part if they had a tag. Since they should be standing what? 10-15 feet behind the pitchers mound with a perfect angle on the swipe tag.
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Old Fri Aug 01, 2008, 10:04am
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I will ask for help on this play almost every time at third:

2 man crew, less then 2 outs, runner on second.

Ball to short stop, looks runner back, makes play to first, BU's call. Runner takes off to third, as PU I am taking the play at third. the throw draws the third baseman in and toward second. They make a swipe tag, and I as PU do not see any contact. Unless you are super man and you are standing at third looking down the base line to second, which you then left your part hanging on the pulled foot at first. Why not ask your part if they had a tag. Since they should be standing what? 10-15 feet behind the pitchers mound with a perfect angle on the swipe tag.

I know some will disagree with me, but I believe PU needs to stay in the vicinity of home looking down the 1b line to help with the pulled foot, then release to get the play at third. Don't go directly up the line to third, take a path approx halfway between 3b and the pitchers circle, then adjust with the throw. Ideally, you get set, watch the play, and close to the base as you make the call. If you hustle, you can get a decent look at the play.
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Old Fri Aug 01, 2008, 04:00pm
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I will ask for help on this play almost every time at third:

2 man crew, less then 2 outs, runner on second.

Ball to short stop, looks runner back, makes play to first, BU's call. Runner takes off to third, as PU I am taking the play at third. the throw draws the third baseman in and toward second. They make a swipe tag, and I as PU do not see any contact. Unless you are super man and you are standing at third looking down the base line to second, which you then left your part hanging on the pulled foot at first. Why not ask your part if they had a tag. Since they should be standing what? 10-15 feet behind the pitchers mound with a perfect angle on the swipe tag.
On the 90' diamond, I take both ends as the BU with no problems. Is this harder on the 60' diamond because the umpires are starting outside the diamond?

But if I was the PU and for some reason I did come up, I'd do the best I can, call the runner safe, and head back to the plate. If the BU knew I was coming up, I'd expect him to close distance at first and not have a great view at third. Worst thing I could do is make no call, look for a partner not in a good position, and then make a late, weak call.

Pulled foot and swipe tags belong to the BU in my world. I get the best position possible and make the call. Last week I had a "pulled foot" that wasn't - the kid caught the ball and came off quick and of course I was the only one in the place watching the foot at the time of the catch. The coach couldn't believe or understand that I would not, absolutely not, get help on a call I was 100% sure of. About a minute later he decided he didn't like a call I made 2 innings earlier and shouted out, "That's two you've missed," which got him sent to the parking lot. Yup, the players were 9-10 years old and it was, indeed, a Little League game.

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Old Fri Aug 01, 2008, 08:35am
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Nah, 36 years and counting. I shouldn't even humor fitty here, but...

'backing your partner' has nothing to do with jumping in and defending his initial call to a rat. If there's a banger at 1B and the HC runs out to fuss at BU, do you as PU sprint down the 1B line to interpose yourself before the HC even gets there?

Hell no. You let your BU take care of business. Now, if it gets ugly, or the HC is ejected or if his minions show up, sure you move up there and peel off the flotsam and/or guide the ejected one out of the scene. But you aint there being your BU's lawyer while the initial call is discussed. This is like Ump 101.

Now, here, the PU is watching the tag at 3B (and missing it, but thats another story)...then the BU makes a call on a missed base the PU never saw. The HC gets upset about the missed base call, which the BU hosed by yakking about it loudly.

That's the BU's mess, and he gets the first crack at fixing it. It would be more embarrassing to try and 'save' him from it. But then, you know all this.... You are free to continue with the armchair psychology, though
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Old Fri Aug 01, 2008, 09:10am
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Nah, 36 years and counting. I shouldn't even humor fitty here, but...

'backing your partner' has nothing to do with jumping in and defending his initial call to a rat. If there's a banger at 1B and the HC runs out to fuss at BU, do you as PU sprint down the 1B line to interpose yourself before the HC even gets there?

Hell no. You let your BU take care of business. Now, if it gets ugly, or the HC is ejected or if his minions show up, sure you move up there and peel off the flotsam and/or guide the ejected one out of the scene. But you aint there being your BU's lawyer while the initial call is discussed. This is like Ump 101.

Now, here, the PU is watching the tag at 3B (and missing it, but thats another story)...then the BU makes a call on a missed base the PU never saw. The HC gets upset about the missed base call, which the BU hosed by yakking about it loudly.

That's the BU's mess, and he gets the first crack at fixing it. It would be more embarrassing to try and 'save' him from it. But then, you know all this.... You are free to continue with the armchair psychology, though
I am not going to save him, but I will not help hang him either. You know a partners silence or even were they are standing in a situation like this says more then words most times.
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