Respect for the Anthem

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by BuggBob

...Lastly members of the military who are properly covered need not remove their cap, but can actually hand salute when the colors are presented.

Bugg

Is being in a relaxed posture the same as a hand salute?

You guys are making too much of this. I would rather guess the umpire crew didn't really know what to do, rather than guess they made a deliberate choice to not respect the flag / anthem.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Is being in a relaxed posture the same as a hand salute?

You guys are making too much of this. I would rather guess the umpire crew didn't really know what to do, rather than guess they made a deliberate choice to not respect the flag / anthem.

Well, I can certainly appreciate the reverence given to our country's flag. It's a symbol that represents a country that love dearly, and I would gladly give it the honor it deserves. I don't think this is much ado about nothing - it's much ado about something.

I think it'd be readily apparent to all present that someone obviously screwed up when planning the start of the games. That said, if it's way off in the distance and completely out of sight, I'd say it's up to you. If you can see the flag from where you're at, and the music is obviously close, then you should give it the respect it deserves as soon as possible.

And yes, I'm one of those guys who gets pissed at store owners who hang the flag vertically, yet don't keep the stars in the upper left-hand corner... Or when people don't take their flags down during bad weather or at night (assuming they don't have proper illumination)... Or when people wear "flag clothing" like that jackass Richard Simmons.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

...And yes, I'm one of those guys who gets pissed at store owners who hang the flag vertically, yet don't keep the stars in the upper left-hand corner... Or when people don't take their flags down during bad weather or at night (assuming they don't have proper illumination)... Or when people wear "flag clothing" like that jackass Richard Simmons.

Hey, I'm with you on this. When ASA some years back decided to put the flag on the umpire's hat, I went to our local ASA gear supplier and bought a couple of the remaining non-flag hats to try to ride through this. I didn't (and still don't) think putting a flag emblem where it is going to get soiled and sweat-stained is proper. Sadly, ASA continues to put flags on the hats, and my non-flag hats are starting to look too worn.

All I'm saying is screw ups happen. That doesn't make them members of the umpires underground terrorist movement.

[greymule]

I live near the college town of Princeton, New Jersey, where though the vast majority of people stand at attention during the national anthem or pledge of allegiance and show respect for the flag, you do see people who make a point of remaining seated and looking away from the flag, usually with a sour look on their faces. This usually happens at graduation ceremonies and the like, not ball games.

In some places (e.g., Detroit), the American flag has been removed from municipal buildings lest someone who hates America be offended.

I'm glad to say that I've never seen anyone remain seated or otherwise be disrespectful at any ball game I've been involved with.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by greymule

I live near the college town of Princeton, New Jersey, where though the vast majority of people stand at attention during the national anthem or pledge of allegiance and show respect for the flag, you do see people who make a point of remaining seated and looking away from the flag, usually with a sour look on their faces. This usually happens at graduation ceremonies and the like, not ball games.

In some places (e.g., Detroit), the American flag has been removed from municipal buildings lest someone who hates America be offended.

I'm glad to say that I've never seen anyone remain seated or otherwise be disrespectful at any ball game I've been involved with.

C'mon, they don't count. Some Princeton (college) folk are so smart, they are stupid.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Hey, I'm with you on this. When ASA some years back decided to put the flag on the umpire's hat, I went to our local ASA gear supplier and bought a couple of the remaining non-flag hats to try to ride through this. I didn't (and still don't) think putting a flag emblem where it is going to get soiled and sweat-stained is proper. Sadly, ASA continues to put flags on the hats, and my non-flag hats are starting to look too worn.

All I'm saying is screw ups happen. That doesn't make them members of the umpires underground terrorist movement.

Well, I think it was a knee-jerk reaction to 9/11. It was optional in 2002, but became mandatory in 2003.

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

I'm sure you mean in a window or against a wall. Otherwise, the union would be to the North or East

Yes, that's what I was referring to. I was surprised to sit in the Cheers replica bar in Boston, only to find the American flag hung vertically against a wall with the stars in the upper-right.

I mean, come on. Boston! City that's RICH in American history! Hanging the flag wrong? Not cool.

I pulled our waitress aside and informed her of the mistake. She said, "wow... in all these years I've been working here, no one has ever pointed that out to me."

[outathm]

As a retired veteran in a very Military town I know that every time the Anthem is played the game is stopped.

Yes this is a pain when SB starts at 4 then Soccer at 430 then Baseball at 5, but we stop the game at the next break in action and wait for the anthem to be played. As long as they don't play the Whitney Houston version it only a takes a couple of minutes.

[shipwreck]

Three flag poles of equal height erected at the front of a business, flying an American flag, state flag and an organization. On which pole should the American flag be flying? I know the answer but the person in charge of the building disagrees with me. What are your thoughts? Dave

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by shipwreck

Three flag poles of equal height erected at the front of a business, flying an American flag, state flag and an organization. On which pole should the American flag be flying? I know the answer but the person in charge of the building disagrees with me. What are your thoughts? Dave

The flag poles shouldn't be of equal height.

Go on up there and measure, boy!

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

And yes, I'm one of those guys who gets pissed at store owners who hang the flag vertically, yet don't keep the stars in the upper left-hand corner...

I'm sure you mean in a window or against a wall. Otherwise, the union would be to the North or East

Or when people don't take their flags down during bad weather or at night (assuming they don't have proper illumination)... Or when people wear "flag clothing" like that jackass Richard Simmons.

This was my pet peeve when everyone thought if you didn't put a flag on you car antenna, you were unpatriotic. People do not have the knowledge or willingness to properly maintain a U.S. flag.

Which is one reason why I have a problem with it on any athletic uniform or cap, including ours (ASA).

[NYBLUE]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

And yes, I'm one of those guys who gets pissed at store owners who hang the flag vertically, yet don't keep the stars in the upper left-hand corner... Or when people don't take their flags down during bad weather or at night (assuming they don't have proper illumination)... Or when people wear "flag clothing" like that jackass Richard Simmons.

Hmmm...I guess you would not approve of what I consider to be the prized possession in my jersey collection :

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Or when people don't take their flags down during bad weather

I dunno about that. I dont take mine down in the rain or any other bad weather. You'll always see a flag flown on rainy days on base. It flys 24 / 7.

Maybe thats a myth, I've heard it before, but I never saw it lowered in bad weather on any military base I was on so I dont lower mine.