Stolen from eteamz

[Dakota]

Several people have pointed out that foul ball is dead wrong. I know that. When I made the comment, I was thinking about this happening in a game, say, last week before this conversation.

"What the he|| was that? (I'm thinking). She did hit the ball out of play (I continue thinking). Oh, crap..." (going verbal now) "FOUL".

I seriously doubt anyone would say anything about the call. Of course, that doesn't make it right (it isn't).

Would I actually have done that? Well, we'll never know!

As stated by several people, the by-the-book ruling here is interference. It sits wrong, since it seems like rewarding the defense for a passed ball. But, I think that is a problem with the ASA rule book.

With a runner on 3B and a passed ball, the batter should be vacating the area. She didn't. What she did was turn, look around or something, causing her bat to come in contact with the ball, and given the distance the ball went, it must have been a fairly active movement.

I can't see this being a pitched ball out of play, since the batter's actions caused it to go out of play.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Dakota

I can't see this being a pitched ball out of play, since the batter's actions caused it to go out of play.

hmmm, thats a very good point.
sell that beezy baseball style "YOU THATS INT YOURE OUT!"

leave no doubt..

[outathm]

Once you have a dead ball, you have something.

No, once a pitched ball has hit the ground in SP it is a dead ball and you have nothing.

I understand that IRISH is the UIC of a whole state and I agree that there are more umpires working any given Tuesday night in Sacramento metro than there are in that whole state. My point in what I was saying is there is always black and white in every situation, the difference between a good umpire and the great umpire is the ability to see and use the grey effectively.

INT is going to open a can of worms that will spill all over the rest of your game, if not the whole tournament.

Just because someone wants to hand you the $hitty end of the stick does not mean that you have to grab it.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by outathm

Once you have a dead ball, you have something.[/COLOR]

No, once a pitched ball has hit the ground in SP it is a dead ball and you have nothing.

This pretty clearly a FP scenario or there is nothing to discuss...

I understand that IRiISH is the UIC of a whole state and I agree that there are more umpires working any given Tuesday night in Sacramento metro than there are in that whole state.

I'm not in sac metro...

My point in what I was saying is there is always black and white in every situation, the difference between a good umpire and the great umpire is the ability to see and use the grey effectively.

Thats a nice slogan for a power point, but that bs only carries you so far. YOu have to be able to support it by rule.

I got a 18G NQ in a few weeks. You aint bluffin coaches like Gary Haning, Bob Perales, Phil Mumma, Don Ford etc.

I know everyone one of them and they are unbluffable. You have to know your crap.

INT is going to open a can of worms that will spill all over the rest of your game, if not the whole tournament.

Just because someone wants to hand you the $hitty end of the stick does not mean that you have to grab it.

What ever end you grab, when the protest is lodged, you better be able to support your position by the rule book.

Dead ball do over does not exist in ASA.

[outathm]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

I'm not in sac metro...

This is obvious by three out of every four posts you make. I was using it as an example of how small the state was, not where you are from. Sierra Nevada Mountains are a big range and not specific.

I do agree that whatever you call on this play it better be big and strong and you better hope that no one protests. Because after 4 pages in here I can only imagine what the post game talk with the tournament UIC will sound like, and I am sure none of the discussion will be about the 4th dimension

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by outathm

I do agree that whatever you call on this play it better be big and strong and you better hope that no one protests. Because after 4 pages in here I can only imagine what the post game talk with the tournament UIC will sound like, and I am sure none of the discussion will be about the 4th dimension

Ha! Yeah, I'm thinking no coach would wont to hear about the 4th diminesion on this play.

I think the UIC has to come right now and sort it out... this call is a game stopper IMO.



Call that batter out.. offense has a heart attack..

Award the run.. holy moly...

I changed my mind, I go with the INT.

Man I dont think fast enough!

See thats why Irish brought it over here.

[outathm]

18g NQ you better be thinking and seeing fast.

[IRISHMAFIA]

"Mr. UIC, the ball bounced up off the catcher and, IMJ, the batter hit the ball with the bat in an unusual motion in the box and actively hindered the defense from making a play on the runner attempting to steal."

See how simple that was?

[Dholloway1962]

Originally Posted by Dakota

batter...causing her bat to come in contact with the ball......since the batter's actions caused it to go out of play.

Which makes this one of those non-win situations...I see it as the catcher caused the entire fiasco.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Dholloway1962

Which makes this one of those non-win situations...I see it as the catcher caused the entire fiasco.

I agree!

Whatever you do, do it and sell it and dont change. Only piss off one side and move on.