Ejection question

[MichaelVA2000]

Originally Posted by bkbjones

Slowpitch game.

His teammates felt an ejection wasn't warranted. What is your opinion?

Sometimes you just can't fix stupid!

[DaveASA/FED]

You are so right Michael, in the words of Ron White

You can't fix stupid, there ain't a pill you can take, ain't a procedure they can perform.


Back to the OP, that is also why I don't do that game, I know it isn't all like that, but the few bad apples have spoiled it for me. in JO fastpitch you get enough of them sprinkled in between coaches and dads but IMO it is managable, those types of players are just something my blood pressure doesn't need to deal with!

[MichaelVA2000]

Originally Posted by DaveASA/FED

You are so right Michael, in the words of Ron White

You can't fix stupid, there ain't a pill you can take, ain't a procedure they can perform.


Back to the OP, that is also why I don't do that game, I know it isn't all like that, but the few bad apples have spoiled it for me. in JO fastpitch you get enough of them sprinkled in between coaches and dads but IMO it is managable, those types of players are just something my blood pressure doesn't need to deal with!

From Ron again with a twist, the player(s) had the right to remain silent, they just didn't have the ability.

I also stopped umpiring the AAL for many of the same reasons.

[SRW]

I think that the ejection was warranted. Especially since I know a little more of what happened than what bkbjones has told us here.

I also think that doing both SP and FP together in a season is a benefit to the individual umpire. If the umpire can handle the attitudes, mouths and egos in the SP game, then the youth FP game is a piece of cake. After dealing with Bubba on Friday night with two beers and a vodka-Red Bull in him, Saturday morning with Mr. Sunglasses and his girls is a walk in the park.

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by SRW

I also think that doing both SP and FP together in a season is a benefit to the individual umpire. If the umpire can handle the attitudes, mouths and egos in the SP game, then the youth FP game is a piece of cake. After dealing with Bubba on Friday night with two beers and a vodka-Red Bull in him, Saturday morning with Mr. Sunglasses and his girls is a walk in the park.

That pretty much sums up my thinking and experience...

I work 4 different SP leagues here in town and my reputation is working it's way through the leagues.

I'm willing to talk about calls I've made or didn't make , the operative word is talk. I eject when appropriate and walk away when appropriate.

I got ,what I considered a compliment, from a manager of a higher end SP team. He told me I have the players confused. I replied "huh". He replied "They don't have any
experience dealing with a real umpire." Hurray for me but not so good for the general state of SP umps in our area.

[archangel]

Originally Posted by SRW

I think that the ejection was warranted. Especially since I know a little more of what happened than what bkbjones has told us here.
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I dont think its even necessary to know more of what happened.....the line was already crossed..goodbye...

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by archangel

I dont think its even necessary to know more of what happened.....the line was already crossed..goodbye...

I gotta think bkbjones was being a mite bit sarcastic asking our opinion on if the ejection was warranted.

From the descripition the R2 gave himself several chances to be ejected.

the ejection,IMO, was a no brainer....

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

the ejection,IMO, was a no brainer....

along with the player

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by DaveASA/FED

but IMO it is managable, those types of players are just something my blood pressure doesn't need to deal with!

Wimps!

IMO, AA is quite managable. The fact that they get to you means they win.

When they act like children, treat them like children. Let them rant and rave and when they are done, just smile and say goodbye.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Wimps!

IMO, AA is quite managable. The fact that they get to you means they win.

When they act like children, treat them like children. Let them rant and rave and when they are done, just smile and say goodbye.

I agree with Mike here. I think that, as a group, we umpires do it to ourselves by not addressing the situations as they present themselves. I hear a lot of fussing over balls and strikes, which is explicitly against the rules of any organization I've ever called for. We have the means with which to address it, the rule book backing us up, and yet, there are umpires who just let it go. Those umpires do NOT do the rest of us any favors, as the teams have now learned that they can get away with it. This makes our jobs that much more difficult when there are those of us who DO follow the rules as they are intended - to keep the peace in an impartial manner.

Last night, I called with a guy who was proud of the fact that in 20-some years of calling ball at various levels, he'd never ejected a single person. Reading between the lines: "I just made it harder for you, Dave."

A warning or an ejection does not have to be, nor should be, a display. On the website I'm working on, it goes into a bit of detail on this subject. If you've got teams being vocal about the balls and strikes, pull the coach/captain aside between innings and calmly say, "coach, there will be no more of this. This is a team warning, please let your players know." Quiet, subtle, no one's embarrassed or singled out, and the situation is usually addressed. If someone doesn't get the message, pull the coach aside and let them know a player just threw themselves out.

I don't like paperwork, either, but I don't let that stand in the way of doing my job. When an ejection is warranted, it's done without passion, hesitation or prejudice.