Eager Partner?

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

So, am I to understand that now you don't believe in umpire to umpire signals for communication?

No, you should understand I dont believe in dumb signals when verbal communication works just fine or better. Ive worked with many of you college guys and you do this collar thing for good call and all this lame stuff. Its just dumb. IFR or "gimme the count" and some other stuff are fine.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

No, you should understand I dont believe in dumb signals when verbal communication works just fine or better. Ive worked with many of you college guys and you do this collar thing for good call and all this lame stuff. Its just dumb. IFR or "gimme the count" and some other stuff are fine.

What the hell is the "collar thing?" Apparently, not an approved signal, as I have never seen or heard of it. I still haven't weighed in with my opinion on the response signal for someone coming up to cover the other end of the play, just stated that it is in fact a legitimate, approved signal in the NCAA. Therefore, it is no different than any other approved umpire to umpire signal in any other code.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

No, you should understand I dont believe in dumb signals when verbal communication works just fine or better. Ive worked with many of you college guys and you do this collar thing for good call and all this lame stuff. Its just dumb. IFR or "gimme the count" and some other stuff are fine.

And playing devil's advocate here, why not just yell at your partner, "the infield fly rule is on," or "what do you have for a count," (which I believe is still the recommended ASA way) instead of using signals? Don't you think that when these signals came into being, some umpire, somewhere, was saying "I am not going to use these signals, they are just dumb?"

Obviously, though, enough umpires accepted the change and applied them, and they have now become the accepted norm.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

And playing devil's advocate here, why not just yell at your partner, "the infield fly rule is on," or "what do you have for a count," (which I believe is still the recommended ASA way) instead of using signals? Don't you think that when these signals came into being, some umpire, somewhere, was saying "I am not going to use these signals, they are just dumb?"

Obviously, though, enough umpires accepted the change and applied them, and they have now become the accepted norm.

Speaking ASA

Asking for the count if eye contact doesn't work, but the IFR is still a right hand to the chest.

However, I do not understand why you would need to compliment your partner on a "good call". What does it mean if you forget to execute the "collar thing"? Does that mean you disagree with the call?

[kcg NC2Ablu]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

No, you should understand I dont believe in dumb signals when verbal communication works just fine or better. Ive worked with many of you college guys and you do this collar thing for good call and all this lame stuff. Its just dumb. IFR or "gimme the count" and some other stuff are fine.

So just to go down the slippery slope here if some signals are dumb but others are fine... do you pick and choose which rules to apply based on what you think is dumb ... we enforce all the rules for a reason those signals are all used for a reason

[LMan]

Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu

So just to go down the slippery slope here if some signals are dumb but others are fine... do you pick and choose which rules to apply based on what you think is dumb ... we enforce all the rules for a reason those signals are all used for a reason

That slope is so slippery, it doesn't exist.

Rules =/= signals..its apples and oranges. Many different umpires can legitimately differ/express preferences over signals, but ignoring rules is an entirely separate matter.

[kcg NC2Ablu]

Originally Posted by LMan

That slope is so slippery, it doesn't exist.

Rules =/= signals..its apples and oranges. Many different umpires can legitimately differ/express preferences over signals, but ignoring rules is an entirely separate matter.

True but how many times have you heard this, " I'm not gonna call that this is a (insert important game here)" Unfourtunately I have heard that WAY to much as of late. Just to add to that ... a majority of those umpire who wouldnt make a "tough call" or enforce a rule because of whatever game it is didn't signal or use the right signals or even have a pre-game to discuss what they would want to use

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu

True but how many times have you heard this, " I'm not gonna call that this is a (insert important game here)" Unfourtunately I have heard that WAY to much as of late.

I've heard it from unexpected sources of late.....

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu

So just to go down the slippery slope here if some signals are dumb but others are fine... do you pick and choose which rules to apply based on what you think is dumb ... we enforce all the rules for a reason those signals are all used for a reason

Well.. two diff animals, you guys have E. A.'s books with a billion signals in it. There actually are not very many signals for use in ASA.

[MichaelVA2000]

Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu

So just to go down the slippery slope here if some signals are dumb but others are fine... do you pick and choose which rules to apply based on what you think is dumb ... we enforce all the rules for a reason those signals are all used for a reason

Use the signals in the NCAA Softball Umpire's Manual if you are doing a college game and the FED signals if it's a high school game. If it's rec ball, use the signals that the rule set is being played under. Many of the rec games use standard ASA mechanics for umpire to umpire signals.

If your umpire association UIC has specific signals s/he wants used then KTBDH. (Keep The Big Dog Happy)

[kcg NC2Ablu]

Originally Posted by MichaelVA2000

Use the signals in the NCAA Softball Umpire's Manual if you are doing a college game and the FED signals if it's a high school game. If it's rec ball, use the signals that the rule set is being played under. Many of the rec games use standard ASA mechanics for umpire to umpire signals.

If your umpire association UIC has specific signals s/he wants used then KTBDH. (Keep The Big Dog Happy)

If you pre-game something with your partner it for communication purposes I dont know any UIC that will ding you for that. And since rundowns are in my pregame it will be pregamed if some one has a problem with it we always work to a comprimse.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Whatever happened to the good ol' days when a pregame was:

U1: Partner, everything by the book.
U2: You got it!

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Whatever happened to the good ol' days when a pregame was:

U1: Partner, everything by the book.
U2: You got it!

That's still what I do, mostly. Other than reminders of various things, we (partner and I) only get off into other stuff if he brings it up.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Dakota

That's still what I do, mostly. Other than reminders of various things, we (partner and I) only get off into other stuff if he brings it up.

Thats also mine.. pregames take about 15-30 seconds...

Some one in our assoc laminated this hugh list for pregame official/pregame coach and handed them out.

Funny.... thank god I've never had any partner pull that dang thing out.

[celebur]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Whatever happened to the good ol' days when a pregame was:

U1: Partner, everything by the book.
U2: You got it!

Or how about:

U1: Partner, everything by the book.
U2: (touches ear)