when does the look-back-rule go into effect after a hit batter

[DaveASA/FED]

Ok ASA 8-7-T-3-c states that " A batter-runner who over-runs first base toward right field, turns left and moves directly toward second base and stops is committed to second base and must attempt to advance non-stop to second"

You are correct this part of the rule does NOT apply to this situation. That was my point, this runner did not overrun toward right field and did not stop after turning left. That was my point, cloverdale misapplied the above rule in this case....but there is a rule that states with exact circumstances that a runner must continue on to 2nd once they start toward it. That was my point that there are times, more so when as you are gaining experience, where something happens and you remember that there is that one rule that says something about.......but on the field in the heat of the action you forget the specifics (has to overrun 1st heading to right field and turn to 2nd and then stop.....and the F1 has to have ball in circle while this is going on). You are also correct that I left out the overrunning 1st and stopping for the sake of being brief, but unless I am failing english terribly it appears that ASA does have a rule that requires the BR, now Runner to continue on to 2nd after they start that way...with the limitations listed in the rule. Also it appears to be the same rule 8-7-4-C in the FED book.

[Dakota]

For the benefit of the OP (since you know all of this)..

There are overly complicated (IMO) and even goofy (IMO) rules for the LBR when the BR overruns 1B. (ASA 8-7-T-3 b thru e; NFHS 8-7-4 b thru e) If the BR overruns, she can find herself in a situation where she has not yet stopped, but is nonetheless committed to either 1B or 2B, no option.

None of those overrunning rules apply when the BR rounds 1B. The rule for a BR who rounds is ASA 8-7-T-3a / NFHS 8-7-4a. If she rounds, she is not committed to either base until she stops and then moves again (assuming F1 has the ball in the circle and is not making a play). She is allowed this stop, and rounding 1B and continuing toward 2B does NOT commit her to 2B. She may still take her one stop and then return to 1B, if she so chooses.

If she stops ON the base (and F1 has the ball in the circle and is not making a play), she may not leave.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by DaveASA/FED

Irish,
Go easy there chief. I think what cloverdale had in mind was the part of the LBR that says the BR is committed to 2nd and must continue on to 2nd once she rounds first and makes an attempt to 2nd. Now we know that part of the rule does not apply to this situation as the BR had passed 1st prior to F1 getting the ball in the circle. Granted someone with your years of experience and knowledge knows this like the back of their hand....but it can be seen how someone might have that part of the rule and misapply it to this situation.

Okay, maybe a little harsh.......nah. As much as I would love to kill the LBR, this is one of the most important rules an umpire must know if s/he is going to work FP softball for any organization. Granted, this may not be Cloverdale's fault depending on how quick he was put into this situation and the training offered before being placed there.

In it's simplest form, which is exactly what Cloverdale's hijack post noted, it is not that difficult. What can happen once the pitcher has the ball in the circle and a runner is off the base? The runner is given one opportunity to stop and then must immediately proceed to either base. If that does not happend, the ball is dead and the runner declared out.

He was correct, he did jump it early, as it seems he did not give the runner the opportunity to continue or retreat. But then he went on to say the BR should have been declared out just for trying to go to 2B.

That was my point, cloverdale misapplied the above rule in this case....but there is a rule that states with exact circumstances that a runner must continue on to 2nd once they start toward it.

The problem is he didn't apply any rule. He killed the play and than awarded the BR the next base.