Should I eject or not?!?!

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My basic philoshophy is I never throw anyone--they throw themselves and I do the paperwork. In other words, in most cases you'll have no doubt.

First sitch--depends on how loud she was and body language. Sounds like I would have considered it. But I agree with the poster who said to tell her she WAS off the bag, the walk away. If she then follows you, say good night.

Second sitch--"Learn the rules." Again, depends on volume and body language. Most coaches doing that, IMO, are asking you to throw them, whether to light up their team or to say it's all your fault they lost or he just wants to see how far he can go. I've ignored it and I've tossed for it.

In other words, in both cases--HTBT.

Note: read rule 3-6-10, pg 39--he needs to "learn the rules."

[SWFLguy]

Love the 3 P's criteria----Personal, Profane, Prolonged. Will use that in the future.
BTW--- FHSAA, the governing body here in Florida requires officials to fax ejection information to them within 24 hours after the contest. I know a lot of umpires have that hassle in the back of their mind when it comes to ejections here.

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by SWFLguy

I know a lot of umpires have that hassle in the back of their mind when it comes to ejections here.

I have heard that numerous times around here. Kinda makes me crazy that people won't take care of business over a little report. I always volunteer to write up the ejection report. .

[Steve M]

Originally Posted by SWFLguy

Love the 3 P's criteria----Personal, Profane, Prolonged. Will use that in the future.
BTW--- FHSAA, the governing body here in Florida requires officials to fax ejection information to them within 24 hours after the contest. I know a lot of umpires have that hassle in the back of their mind when it comes to ejections here.

Same thing in Pennsylvania - we can fax on submit via the internet.
I don't see the big deal, though I have not volunteered to do somebody else' paperwork.

[NM FP Ump]

Good comments and suggestions. I really like BuggBob's "Three P's". I will mark up my lineup card holder with those initials, so I am always reminded of our standard of professionalism. I like IRISH's comments about responsibilities too. This site always helps me with my professionalism!

As a side note:

Situation 1. PU and I went to talk to the HC after the game (PU had other issues; I had an issue with this situation). HC told me that he would sit her down and go over Character Counts/Pursuing Victory with Honor with her. I do agree with most posters; I may have prolonged the conversation with the player by arguing with her (hindsight). Best to just explain the call and walk away.

Situation 2. As for the tone and body language of the "Learn the rules, blue!" comment, HC was in the dugout when he said it and I didn't see him say it, I just heard him say it.

Thanks again for the feedback.

[LIIRISHMAN]

AS others here have posted in sit #1 dealing with a teenager can be difficult at times. She did not ultimately however challenge you or your integrity. As for sit #2 if he did not whisper "learn the rules blue" he's gone. As a fellow umpire he should know NEVER question a umpires understanding of a rule publicly. I would think better of him if he asked you (quietly if you were sure of your interptatation of the rule. Calling you out publicly especially over something as trivial as this tells me he's wound a little tighter then most of us.

[argodad]

Originally Posted by SWFLguy

Love the 3 P's criteria----Personal, Profane, Prolonged. Will use that in the future.
BTW--- FHSAA, the governing body here in Florida requires officials to fax ejection information to them within 24 hours after the contest. I know a lot of umpires have that hassle in the back of their mind when it comes to ejections here.

We've told our umpires in Pensacola that the paperwork should not factor into their decisions on the field. Heck, FHSAA even made the report a fillable pdf on their website. Now if we can talk them into digital signatures, we won't even have to print and sign the form -- we'll just hit submit.