Are bobbie-pins jewelry?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dholloway1962

rule reference? I have always been told by every UIC they are considered jewelry, unless medical.

No, you give me a rules reference that specifically states those items are jewelry.

[TwoBits]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

No, you give me a rules reference that specifically states those items are jewelry.

Are you serious?

[JEL]

Originally Posted by TwoBits

Are you serious?

Webster; Jewelry; personal ornaments made of precious or base metals, and precious or imitation stones.


NFHS; Jewelry; (such as) rings, watches, earrings, bracelets, necklaces (including cloth or string types), barrettes or other hard cosmetics or decorative items. -----Livestrong MAY be a decorative item, but it's not hard.


ASA; Jewelry; (use common sense) If deemed dangerous (to other players inferred) must be removed.


I understand the NFHS "hard line stand", and will enforce, but ASA (and others) is much more game friendly.

[TwoBits]

Originally Posted by JEL

Webster; Jewelry; personal ornaments made of precious or base metals, and precious or imitation stones.


NFHS; Jewelry; (such as) rings, watches, earrings, bracelets, necklaces (including cloth or string types), barrettes or other hard cosmetics or decorative items. -----Livestrong MAY be a decorative item, but it's not hard.


ASA; Jewelry; (use common sense) If deemed dangerous (to other players inferred) must be removed.


I understand the NFHS "hard line stand", and will enforce, but ASA (and others) is much more game friendly.

Speaking NFHS...

Aren't these things bracelets?

[JEL]

Originally Posted by TwoBits

Speaking NFHS...

Aren't these things bracelets?

Could be, but they don't really follow Mr Websters definition of "jewelry" do they? For that matter, neither do cloth or string thingies!

Bottom line, We are discussing two seperate and distinct orginizations, ASA and NFHS. One says remove it, and is interpreted as no leeway, one says use common sense.

If you are calling a 12U ASA game, and deem the Livestrong bands as dangerous, then have them removed. If you are calling NFHS, it doesn't matter what you think, have them removed.

[BuggBob]

In NFHS all jewelry in ALL sports is removed by rule. In ASA JO Softball the participants are minors and as such can not make a proper decision as to what is safe and unsafe. It should be up to their coaches and parents, but in the interest of my own personal safety ALL jewelry, including Lance's yellow band, is removed when they play.
We talk and talk about preventive officiating what is more preventive than requiring JO participants to remove their jewelry. As to adults -- they're adults (although most of us will agree that they clearly don't act adult like) and as adults they can decide for themselves what is dangerous or not.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by JEL

...ASA ...says use common sense.

Actually, ASA says to use umpire judgment. As we can readily see from the various threads in this very discussion board, those are NOT the same thing!

[Steve M]

Originally Posted by JEL

Could be, but they don't really follow Mr Websters definition of "jewelry" do they? For that matter, neither do cloth or string thingies!

Bottom line, We are discussing two seperate and distinct orginizations, ASA and NFHS. One says remove it, and is interpreted as no leeway, one says use common sense.

If you are calling a 12U ASA game, and deem the Livestrong bands as dangerous, then have them removed. If you are calling NFHS, it doesn't matter what you think, have them removed.

And that's the real key - know what sanctioning body you're working under for the game and follow their stance, whether you agree with that stance or not.

[Stu Clary]

re: Livestong

Originally Posted by TwoBits

Speaking NFHS...

Aren't these things bracelets?

I had a girl remove one yesterday. She apologised and said that she forgot to take it off before the game - in other words, they already know it's consider jewlery, at least around here.

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by Stu Clary

re: Livestong



I had a girl remove one yesterday. She apologised and said that she forgot to take it off before the game - in other words, they already know it's consider jewlery, at least around here.

Agree with Stu, local customs are to basically handle them both in accordance with Fed rules. basically there is not much umpire judgement in JO around jewelry

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

basically there is not much umpire judgement in JO around jewelry

Actually, in JO, BY RULE, it is 100% umpire judgment.

[ronald]

Aren't these things bracelets?

Could be, but they don't really follow Mr Websters definition of "jewelry" do they?

Have not checked the unabridged version yet but I think they Mr. Encyclopedia and Mr Anthropologist would consider them as bracelets.

Ron

[DaveASA/FED]

I think one thing to remember is that the 2nd question was posted as a u12 team. They did not say what rule set, several leagues use NFHS rules so I fail to see why some are disregarding this rules information, it might be the only that fits this discussion.

I see Irishs point for ASA, although I think the better more informative answer would be in ASA it is umpires judgement if they feel it is dangerous it must be removed.

Lance Armstrong braclets were adressed at the NUS this year and it was said to have them removed. NFHS had the same stance. So I am having them removed if they want to play.

[SRW]

Originally Posted by DaveASA/FED

Lance Armstrong braclets were adressed at the NUS this year and it was said to have them removed.

Do you have anything written to back that up?

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by SRW

Do you have anything written to back that up?

Probably not, but so often, a lot of what's said at clinics and schools is not written down.