Are bobbie-pins jewelry?

[Dholloway1962]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

No

rule reference? I have always been told by every UIC they are considered jewelry, unless medical.

[ronald]

In Maryland, per NFHS rules interpreter, those lance armstrong type wristbands are not permitted. Remove em and warning, etc....

Ron

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by ronald

In Maryland, per NFHS rules interpreter, those lance armstrong type wristbands are not permitted. Remove em and warning, etc....

Ron

The last time I checked, NFHS did not have a U12 division.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dakota

The last time I checked, NFHS did not have a U12 division.

DING!!!....DING!!!....DING!!!

[wadeintothem]

Those things sure can be hard to see and they sure are easy to miss....

Thats my experience anyway.

[ronald]

Ding! Ding! Ding!

What purpose does that serve?

I consider myself an ASA umpire first and if that comment carries a negative connotation (as some might think so), that is not befitting a state ASA UIC. (pg 170, pt 6)


Ron

[Dakota]

The question was about a U12 team. NFHS and ASA have a fundamentally different rule and standard of enforcement regarding jewelry. Your NFHS rules interpreter's statement applies ONLY to high school sports, not U12.

There... somewhat longer than ding, ding, but maybe you understand the point.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dholloway1962

rule reference? I have always been told by every UIC they are considered jewelry, unless medical.

No, you give me a rules reference that specifically states those items are jewelry.

[TwoBits]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

No, you give me a rules reference that specifically states those items are jewelry.

Are you serious?

[JEL]

Originally Posted by TwoBits

Are you serious?

Webster; Jewelry; personal ornaments made of precious or base metals, and precious or imitation stones.


NFHS; Jewelry; (such as) rings, watches, earrings, bracelets, necklaces (including cloth or string types), barrettes or other hard cosmetics or decorative items. -----Livestrong MAY be a decorative item, but it's not hard.


ASA; Jewelry; (use common sense) If deemed dangerous (to other players inferred) must be removed.


I understand the NFHS "hard line stand", and will enforce, but ASA (and others) is much more game friendly.

[TwoBits]

Originally Posted by JEL

Webster; Jewelry; personal ornaments made of precious or base metals, and precious or imitation stones.


NFHS; Jewelry; (such as) rings, watches, earrings, bracelets, necklaces (including cloth or string types), barrettes or other hard cosmetics or decorative items. -----Livestrong MAY be a decorative item, but it's not hard.


ASA; Jewelry; (use common sense) If deemed dangerous (to other players inferred) must be removed.


I understand the NFHS "hard line stand", and will enforce, but ASA (and others) is much more game friendly.

Speaking NFHS...

Aren't these things bracelets?

[JEL]

Originally Posted by TwoBits

Speaking NFHS...

Aren't these things bracelets?

Could be, but they don't really follow Mr Websters definition of "jewelry" do they? For that matter, neither do cloth or string thingies!

Bottom line, We are discussing two seperate and distinct orginizations, ASA and NFHS. One says remove it, and is interpreted as no leeway, one says use common sense.

If you are calling a 12U ASA game, and deem the Livestrong bands as dangerous, then have them removed. If you are calling NFHS, it doesn't matter what you think, have them removed.

[BuggBob]

In NFHS all jewelry in ALL sports is removed by rule. In ASA JO Softball the participants are minors and as such can not make a proper decision as to what is safe and unsafe. It should be up to their coaches and parents, but in the interest of my own personal safety ALL jewelry, including Lance's yellow band, is removed when they play.
We talk and talk about preventive officiating what is more preventive than requiring JO participants to remove their jewelry. As to adults -- they're adults (although most of us will agree that they clearly don't act adult like) and as adults they can decide for themselves what is dangerous or not.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by JEL

...ASA ...says use common sense.

Actually, ASA says to use umpire judgment. As we can readily see from the various threads in this very discussion board, those are NOT the same thing!

[Steve M]

Originally Posted by JEL

Could be, but they don't really follow Mr Websters definition of "jewelry" do they? For that matter, neither do cloth or string thingies!

Bottom line, We are discussing two seperate and distinct orginizations, ASA and NFHS. One says remove it, and is interpreted as no leeway, one says use common sense.

If you are calling a 12U ASA game, and deem the Livestrong bands as dangerous, then have them removed. If you are calling NFHS, it doesn't matter what you think, have them removed.

And that's the real key - know what sanctioning body you're working under for the game and follow their stance, whether you agree with that stance or not.