ASA Look Back Rule II

[IRISHMAFIA]

PLAY:

Bottom of 7th, home team down one run.

Two outs, bases loaded. As the pitcher receives the ball IN THE CIRCLE, all runners return to their respective base.

In what is apparently a DMP, with all runners on their base, F1 fakes a throw toward 2B. Daring the pitcher to throw the ball, all runners advance 2-3 strides toward the next base. F1 turns and attempts to retire R1 who is leaning toward home. The throw goes into the 3B dugout.

PU rules the ball dead and awards all runners two bases scoring the tying and winning runs.

Is this the correct call?

[greymule]

Is this the correct call?

Yes.

Now what's the catch?

[jmaellis]

New guy question:

DMP?

[Steve M]

Originally Posted by jmaellis

New guy question:

DMP?

Dumb Move Pitcher

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

PLAY:

Bottom of 7th, home team down one run.

Two outs, bases loaded. As the pitcher receives the ball IN THE CIRCLE, all runners return to their respective base.

In what is apparently a DMP, with all runners on their base, F1 fakes a throw toward 2B. Daring the pitcher to throw the ball, all runners advance 2-3 strides toward the next base. F1 turns and attempts to retire R1 who is leaning toward home. The throw goes into the 3B dugout.

PU rules the ball dead and awards all runners two bases scoring the tying and winning runs.

Is this the correct call?

Hmmm... Mike was hoping for more responses here.

Problem is, I don't see much to discuss here. Correct call as I read it.

Once the pitcher fakes the throw, the LBR is no longer in effect and all runners may move off their bases, stop, zig-zag, etc. To put the rule back into effect, F1 needs to cease making a play or plays on the runners, the runners will be given time to recognize this, but they must then immediately decide where they are going and go there. Instead, F1 made a play on a different runner, throwing the ball out of play.

[Stu Clary]

I don't see the issue. Seems like a simple, text book call.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Stu Clary

I don't see the issue. Seems like a simple, text book call.

Yeah but we got to learn what DMP means!

[IRISHMAFIA]

Read RS 34.C.EXCEPTION 1

[Stu Clary]

Originally Posted by Stu Clary

I don't see the issue. Seems like a simple, text book call.

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Read RS 34.C.EXCEPTION 1

OK. I just did that. NOW I think it's a simple, text book call, and I don't see the problem.

R/S 34. LOOK BACK RULE...EXCEPTION B-C: A runner will not be declared out when:

1. A play is made on another runner, or...

Good call, game over. Talk about DMP in parking lot with partner.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Daring the pitcher to throw the ball, all runners advance 2-3 strides toward the next base.

Is this what you are talking about Mike? If so, is there some sort of action that was made by the runners either a) before the pitcher faked her throw, or b) during the interim after she had faked her throw, gone back to a "normal" stance in the circle, and before throwing to 3rd?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Okay, enough

The wording in the RS states that the exception applies when the pitcher makes a play on ANOTHER runner. IOW, making a play on a runner stopped on a base only releases other runners, not the one toward which the pitcher made the play.

I think this is just a remnant of a "housekeeping" change requested at the Central Atlantic Regional Clinic a year or two ago.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Okay, enough

The wording in the RS states that the exception applies when the pitcher makes a play on ANOTHER runner. IOW, making a play on a runner stopped on a base only releases other runners, not the one toward which the pitcher made the play.

I think this is just a remnant of a "housekeeping" change requested at the Central Atlantic Regional Clinic a year or two ago.

Problem is, Mike, we are all too used to ASA's fractured syntax to take the bait...