ASA Look Back Rule

[IRISHMAFIA]

PLAY:

Bottom of 7th, tie score.

Two outs, R1 on 3B. Batter takes ball four. As the BR runs to 1B at full speed, the pitcher receives the ball IN THE CIRCLE and R1 returns to 3B.

She rounds 1B and comes to a stop after three strides. As the runner is returning to 1B, the pitchers fakes a throw toward 1B and the runner stops. Seeing this, R1 sprints toward home.

BU kills the play and rules the runner OUT on LBR prior to R1 touching the plate.

Is this the correct call?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

PLAY:

Bottom of 7th, tie score.

Two outs, R1 on 3B. Batter takes ball four. As the BR runs to 1B at full speed, the pitcher receives the ball IN THE CIRCLE and R1 returns to 3B.

She rounds 1B and comes to a stop after three strides. As the runner is returning to 1B, the pitchers fakes a throw toward 1B and the runner stops. Seeing this, R1 sprints toward home.

BU kills the play and rules the runner OUT on LBR prior to R1 touching the plate.

Is this the correct call?

no

[Stu Clary]

Not as I understand it.

According to rule 8-7-t, "EXCEPTION: The runner will not be declared out if...1. A play is made on any runner. A fake throw is considered a play."

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

PLAY:

Bottom of 7th, tie score.

Two outs, R1 on 3B. Batter takes ball four. As the BR runs to 1B at full speed, the pitcher receives the ball IN THE CIRCLE and R1 returns to 3B.

She rounds 1B and comes to a stop after three strides. As the runner is returning to 1B, the pitchers fakes a throw toward 1B and the runner stops. Seeing this, R1 sprints toward home.

BU kills the play and rules the runner OUT on LBR prior to R1 touching the plate.

Is this the correct call?

You usually don't post such plays when things are so obvious, so I've read this several times and can't see anything I missed, so I agree with Cecil... No.

[WestMichBlue]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

PLAY:

Bottom of 7th, tie score. Two outs, R1 on 3B. Batter takes ball four. As the BR runs to 1B at full speed, the pitcher receives the ball IN THE CIRCLE and R1 returns to 3B.

She rounds 1B and comes to a stop after three strides. As the runner is returning to 1B, the pitchers fakes a throw toward 1B and the runner stops. Seeing this, R1 sprints toward home. BU kills the play and rules the runner OUT on LBR prior to R1 touching the plate.

Is this the correct call?

Which runner is called out? The former B-R? Now called R2? And why was she called out? The LBR was temporarily suspended when F1 faked a throw. Did the BU allow enough time after F1 dropped her arm to re-instate the LBR?

IF YES, and R2 was standing still, then she is out by LBR violation - dead ball, R1 does not score.

Under that condition - call is correct.

WMB

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by WestMichBlue

Which runner is called out? The former B-R? Now called R2?

Since it was noted the runner was called out prior to R1 touching home, I would think it was obvious BR/R2 was called out. I'll try to be more specific in the future

And why was she called out?

Nah, this one is yours. The post clearly states the runner was ruled out on the LBR.

The LBR was temporarily suspended when F1 faked a throw.

Really? Was it?

Did the BU allow enough time after F1 dropped her arm to re-instate the LBR?

Reading something that isn't there. Dakota, please take care of this.

[CecilOne]

Let's see ...
1) the pitchers fakes a throw toward 1B and the runner stops. Seeing this, R1 sprints toward home.

Unsaid in OP, but was it implied?
2) "enough time after F1 dropped her arm to re-instate the LBR"
Maybe.

3) BU kills the play and rules the runner OUT on LBR prior to R1 touching the plate.


Apparently the issue Mike is after is :
"The LBR was temporarily suspended when F1 faked a throw.

Really? Was it?"

[greymule]

Is this the correct call?

No.

Now what's the catch?

[12yearblue]

I've got an illegal pitch, which should have been called as soon as the hands come together again. Before the runners even get started running. There is a time between when the illegal pitch has occured and the pitch has been released.

[pollywolly60]

Okay, there may be a catch, but I haven't found it.

I don't see it as a correct call. When the pitcher faked a throw to first base, causing the runner to react, then the LBR is no longer in effect.

[ronald]

page 8-50 of casebook, play 8.8-64

Ruling: No penalty. The fake throw nullifies the look back rule (8-7T).

Wished the rulers would have stated when the lbr goes back into effect on a play like this. In addition, do not remember any clinician discussing this type of play.

So, waiting for guidance and the reasoning. Then i can answer the questions

[Thurman15]

F1 had the ball in the circle. BR runs to 1B and continues 3 steps past 1B, then stops, then returns to 1B. Does this constitute a LBR violation by the BR?

With F1 having the ball in the circle, isn't a base runner allowed one stop then immediate advancement or retreat to the next or previous base without causing a LBR violation?

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by 12yearblue

I've got an illegal pitch, which should have been called as soon as the hands come together again. Before the runners even get started running. There is a time between when the illegal pitch has occured and the pitch has been released.

There was no comment about the pitcher taking her place on the PP and bringing her hands to together in the OP. The pitcher simply received the ball in the circle. IP is not an option.

Okay Mike, I am with the rest of the bunch. What's the catch?

[Stu Clary]

Originally Posted by 12yearblue

I've got an illegal pitch, which should have been called as soon as the hands come together again. Before the runners even get started running. There is a time between when the illegal pitch has occured and the pitch has been released.

Are you in the right thread?

[ronald]

Bad call by the BU. LBR will not go back into effect until the runner running home has completed her play.

The runner that has come off 1b can stand there like a lump off a log and watch the runner from 3rd. Once the runner reaches home plate then the runner between the bases has to make a decision to advance or return given that the pitcher has possession and control of the ball in the circle.