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[SRW]

ASA Ruleset. Or NFHS. You pick.

R1 on 1B. Outs don't matter. B2 takes ball 4, and begins to trot on down to 1B. F2 returns the ball to F1, who maintains control in the circle. R1 hesitates going to 2B as she's talking with the first base-coach for a second, then starts slowly on her way to 2B. B2 now reaches 1B while R1 is about 3/4 to 2B. R1 is holding her batting gloves in each hand (not wearing them), and drops one of them before reaching 2B. Without thinking, she steps back to pick it up, then continues to 2B.

You calling the out?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by SRW

ASA Ruleset. Or NFHS. You pick.

R1 on 1B. Outs don't matter. B2 takes ball 4, and begins to trot on down to 1B. F2 returns the ball to F1, who maintains control in the circle. R1 hesitates going to 2B as she's talking with the first base-coach for a second, then starts slowly on her way to 2B. B2 now reaches 1B while R1 is about 3/4 to 2B. R1 is holding her batting gloves in each hand (not wearing them), and drops one of them before reaching 2B. Without thinking, she steps back to pick it up, then continues to 2B.

You calling the out?

Speaking ASA

There is no out to call. R1 is entitled to advance to 2B without liability to be put out in accordance with 8.5.A. There is no time limit on how quickly that runner must advance to the base forced.

[greymule]

ASA. I had a situation where the runner on 1B, while advancing to 2B after a walk to the batter, stopped twice in an attempt to decoy the pitcher into making a throw. The defensive coach, not without a little amusement in his voice, claimed that the runner had violated the LBR. I responded that the runner had the right to advance without liability to be put out.

But I wondered about it later, because even a runner not liable to be put out can still be declared out, for example, for passing a runner or committing interference. So apparently violating the LBR is not one of those cases, though I don't see where the rule book says so specifically. Further, ASA does not draw a sharp distinction between being put out and being declared out.

In the original post, the runner's stopping to talk to the coach would be irrelevant, since the batter had not yet reached 1B. Reversing direction twice in picking up the glove would be the violation.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Speaking ASA

There is no out to call. R1 is entitled to advance to 2B without liability to be put out in accordance with 8.5.A. There is no time limit on how quickly that runner must advance to the base forced.

This is true for NFHS as well.

[SRW]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Speaking ASA

There is no out to call. R1 is entitled to advance to 2B without liability to be put out in accordance with 8.5.A. There is no time limit on how quickly that runner must advance to the base forced.

Damnit, Mike, you're not supposed to be the first one to answer! I wanted to get people discussing this one, not killing the thread with the answer as the second post! :P

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by SRW

Damnit, Mike, you're not supposed to be the first one to answer! I wanted to get people discussing this one, not killing the thread with the answer as the second post! :P

We can still talk about it, since greymule raises some good points.

Clearly, the runner who is advancing without liability to be put out can, under some circumstances, be declared out for committing a violation. The ball is live, and it would not be too difficult to invent a situation where R1 could commit interference.

Why is a LBR violation exempt?

[SRW]

Originally Posted by Dakota

We can still talk about it, since greymule raises some good points.

Oh I agree...

Originally Posted by Dakota

Clearly, the runner who is advancing without liability to be put out can, under some circumstances, be declared out for committing a violation. The ball is live, and it would not be too difficult to invent a situation where R1 could commit interference.

Ok, I'll bite... on the BR being awarded a base on balls, how could R1 commit interference?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by SRW

Ok, I'll bite... on the BR being awarded a base on balls, how could R1 commit interference?

Let's say the team on offense has been aggressive base runners the whole game; they have managed to stretch a walk earlier into a "double", executed a delayed steal, and in general are risk-takers on the bases. Catcher throws hard back to F1 after the walk to hold the runners, but the throw is a bit high and the ball is tipped off F1's glove back toward 2B. R1 sees this and takes off. F4 backs up the throw, gloves the ball, and R1 collides with her. Just to be clear, F4 has possession of the ball several steps before the collision and the collision happens between 1B and 2B. F4 goes down, but R1 stays on her feet and advances to 3B, beating the throw from the recovered F4.

Ruling?