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Old Mon Jul 02, 2007, 07:27pm
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My rule interpretation skills are being put to the test by a few collegues. Maybe I am going crazy but I am 100% this is interference in NSA. I would assume this rule is alike in all play. Help me out on this one.

Batter bunts the ball. The ball is in fair territory. The batter discharges the bat which falls into the ball. Intentions cannot be determined. What is the call?
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Old Mon Jul 02, 2007, 07:52pm
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My rule interpretation skills are being put to the test by a few collegues. Maybe I am going crazy but I am 100% this is interference in NSA. I would assume this rule is alike in all play. Help me out on this one.

Batter bunts the ball. The ball is in fair territory. The batter discharges the bat which falls into the ball. Intentions cannot be determined. What is the call?
In rules I know which do not include NSA, INT and out.
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Old Mon Jul 02, 2007, 07:53pm
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I don't know NSA, but in ASA, the batter is out.

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Rule 7. Section 6. THE BATTER IS OUT.
K. When the batter hits a fair ball with the bat a second time in fair territory.
Look in the NSA rule book under the "Batter is Out" rule.
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Old Mon Jul 02, 2007, 08:31pm
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I know Dakota, I pulled the darn book out and flipped right to that page. They then say that the note below it is applicable. Even when I ask them to read it, and it clearly discusses the ball rolling into the bat, they refuse to believe me. I am just going to forward all of these responses on.


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Old Mon Jul 02, 2007, 09:32pm
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you are right - they are wrong!
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Old Mon Jul 02, 2007, 10:11pm
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Any Hamlet fans out there? If so, they'll understand what I mean by this...

Here lies the ball. Good. Here lies the bat. Good. If the bat go to this ball and hits it, it is, will he, nill he, he's out, mark you that. But if the ball come to the bat and hits it, he outs not himself: argal, he that is not guilty of hitting the ball twice shortens not his own at bat.

Sorry, I'm a nerd.
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I haven't decided if I should call it from the dugout or the outfield. Apparently, both have really great views!

Screw green, it ain't easy being blue!

I won't be coming here that much anymore. I might check in now and again.
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Old Mon Jul 02, 2007, 11:45pm
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Any Hamlet fans out there? If so, they'll understand what I mean by this...

Here lies the ball. Good. Here lies the bat. Good. If the bat go to this ball and hits it, it is, will he, nill he, he's out, mark you that. But if the ball come to the bat and hits it, he outs not himself: argal, he that is not guilty of hitting the ball twice shortens not his own at bat.

Sorry, I'm a nerd.
What the heck are you talking about?
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Old Tue Jul 03, 2007, 05:57am
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What the heck are you talking about?
heheheh
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I haven't decided if I should call it from the dugout or the outfield. Apparently, both have really great views!

Screw green, it ain't easy being blue!

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Old Tue Jul 03, 2007, 09:15am
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Any Hamlet fans out there? If so, they'll understand what I mean by this...

Here lies the ball. Good. Here lies the bat. Good. If the bat go to this ball and hits it, it is, will he, nill he, he's out, mark you that. But if the ball come to the bat and hits it, he outs not himself: argal, he that is not guilty of hitting the ball twice shortens not his own at bat.

Sorry, I'm a nerd.
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What the heck are you talking about?
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Old Tue Jul 03, 2007, 09:35am
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My rule interpretation skills are being put to the test by a few collegues. Maybe I am going crazy but I am 100% this is interference in NSA. I would assume this rule is alike in all play. Help me out on this one.

Batter bunts the ball. The ball is in fair territory. The batter discharges the bat which falls into the ball. Intentions cannot be determined. What is the call?
Blu_In, were you in Robinson IL this past weekend? I had the same ??, NFHS it's an out.
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Old Tue Jul 03, 2007, 09:39am
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AS they say, IF the bat goes to the ball, you are out is all rules sets. If the bat comes to the bat, play on. This is a condensed version for NFHS, NCAA, ASA, NSA, USSSA LL, PONY - That's all the rules I could find
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Old Tue Jul 03, 2007, 10:23am
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No, I was in NW Indiana.


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Old Tue Jul 03, 2007, 11:17am
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NSA 7-6 "The batter shall not hit a fair ball a second time with the bat in fair territory."

Effect: "the ball is dead, the batter is out and baserunners may not advance."

Note: "If the batter drops the bat and the ball rolls against the bat in fair territory and, in the umpire's judgment, there was no intintion to interfere with the course of the ball, the batter is not out and the ball is alive and in play."

The old axiom "bat hits ball, dead ball; ball hits bat, play on" works in every rule set.

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Old Tue Jul 03, 2007, 12:30pm
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AS they say, IF the bat goes to the ball, you are out is all rules sets. If the bat comes to the bat, play on. This is a condensed version for NFHS, NCAA, ASA, NSA, USSSA LL, PONY - That's all the rules I could find
And that's exactly what I meant with my goofy Hamlet parody. It depends on if the ball goes to the bat (no call), or vice versa (an out).

Sorry, but for some reason, every time this question is asked, I hear the "Gravedigger's Scene" of Hamlet in the back of my head. Those darn, pesky voices...
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I haven't decided if I should call it from the dugout or the outfield. Apparently, both have really great views!

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