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A bad sitiuation
I wasn't there. The losing pitcher's father caught up to me at work the next day and asked me what I thought...
JV game. 2 out. Bottom of 7th. R1 on 1st. Dropped 3rd strike. Ump, working alone, says batter's OUT! Players leave the field. Catcher rolls ball back to pitcher's mound. Batter runs to 1st. Teams line up to shake hands. Home coach argues ruling. Ump realizes she screwed up. Allows batter to go to 1st. Game resumes (after plenty of discussion). Naturally, the home team scores a couple runs and wins the game. The pitcher's father was pretty cool about it. He just wanted my opinion. I told him that once the batter is called out, she's out. This ruling can't be changed. Is it the catcher's job to go ahead and make the play after the ump made the wrong call? 
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Sat May 12, 2007, 11:57pm
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> I told him that once the batter is called out, she's out. This ruling can't be changed.< Well, yes it could be be changed. The umpire does have authority to "rectify" a call such as this, but......... >Home coach argues ruling.< Well duh, I would too! but....... > Players leave the field< >Teams line up to shake hands. Home coach argues ruling.< Timing a bit off, defense has left the field, game over. Last edited by JEL; Sun May 13, 2007 at 12:05am.
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Sun May 13, 2007, 08:22am
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The offense was smart enough to know the game situation and react accordingly in spite of the umpire's error, the defense was not. This is a tough one. If protested and it was upheld, the game resumes at the point at which the error was made. Since you cannot just put the ball on the ground behind the plate, the batter and the box an say, "GO", I'm assuming the "play" with which the game would resume would be the pitch. BTW, as far as once the umpire calls the batter out, she's out, that just isn't true. An umpire can change a call upon review of the information available.
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Sun May 13, 2007, 11:45am
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Thanks for the replies. When I made the comment about not changing the "out" call once it was made, I guess I only meant situations where the defense clearly reacted to the call. I have changed "out" calls in the past when I later discovered the ball had been dropped or if my partner revealed something to me that I hadn't seen. No problem. The goal should be to get it right. My concern is when the incorrect call influences the rest of the play.
Maybe the comment about the offense being alert while the defense was busy celebrating is right on the mark. After all, there is no penalty for tagging a runner who has already been called out, just to make sure she's really out. Everyone learned a lesson in that little fiasco, including the ump.
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Mon May 14, 2007, 07:20am
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I agree the ump booted this call,
but FED rule 8-2-4 The batter is out when "the BR fails to advance to first base and enters the team area after...a dropped third strike" I think I saw her enter the team area, she's out.
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Mon May 14, 2007, 07:32am
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We have all made calls that were wrong. We have all made calls that coaches, players and spectators disagree with. They don't continue play if they disagree. The bottom line is the batter was called out. No reason to penalize the defense, who clearly heard the umpire kill any needed tag or throw down to first by calling the batter out. She was called out - right or wrong, everyone has to live with call. This is not able to be appealed, this is not a re-do, the runner does not get first base. Game over.
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Mon May 14, 2007, 07:42am
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I don't see it as a bad judgement call, I see it as a kicked ruling. She clearly called the batter out when, in fact, she wasn't out. That is correctable.
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Mon May 14, 2007, 07:48am
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This is NOT a correctable situation! You've killed the play when you called her out. Its the same as if you called a fair ball foul. Doesn't matter where is really was, you called it foul, the play is DEAD!
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Mon May 14, 2007, 07:48am
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Players lining up to shake hands? Sounds like all of the defense may have left fair territory. Game over.
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Mon May 14, 2007, 07:48am
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Mon May 14, 2007, 07:50am
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Mon May 14, 2007, 07:53am
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Oh, but then again, you would have never made the mistake in the first place! 
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Mon May 14, 2007, 07:56am
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Mon May 14, 2007, 08:01am
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Mon May 14, 2007, 08:04am
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Mark NFHS, NCAA, NAFA "If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?" Anton Chigurh - "No Country for Old Men" Last edited by MNBlue; Mon May 14, 2007 at 08:08am.
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