The little things

[WestMichBlue]

Originally Posted by bkbjones

Cost us a good five minutes in the top of the seventh of a semi-lopsided game, then had to get the rule book out to teach the difference between an improper courtesy runner and an illegal sub.

Wait a minute. Isn't anyone going to discuss the difference between an improper CR and an illegal sub?

There isn't any! The CR is an illegal sub (8-9 Penalty) and is subject to 3-4.1.a Illegal Sub rules. CR called out, and restricted to the bench.

Did that take 5 minutes to discuss?

WMB

BTW - I use Emily A's Lineup Management System. Yes, it means taking a few minutes pre-game to copy to your own line-up card, but it is well worth it. Every game you are looking at the same document. (The postage stamps and 8.5 x 11 computer printouts go in my hip pocket.) Instant visibility of substitutions, DP/FLEX changes, player re-entry status, and yes - CR status. To speed things up I don't copy names, just numbers. I can always pull out the coach's line-ups in case I need to match names to numbers. I have one team on each side of a single card that fits neatly into my Honigs holder.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by WestMichBlue

BTW - I use Emily A's Lineup Management System. Yes, it means taking a few minutes pre-game to copy to your own line-up card, but it is well worth it. Every game you are looking at the same document. (The postage stamps and 8.5 x 11 computer printouts go in my hip pocket.) Instant visibility of substitutions, DP/FLEX changes, player re-entry status, and yes - CR status. To speed things up I don't copy names, just numbers. I can always pull out the coach's line-ups in case I need to match names to numbers. I have one team on each side of a single card that fits neatly into my Honigs holder.

WTH is that!!!

Man you go above and beyond. Usually I write the team color on the top so I dont have to figure out what team I'm thinking of and the coaches name, because I suck at names. Then I neatly scrunch/mash it into my holder or just my ball bag or back pocket. I have no trouble tracking subs.

[bkbjones]

[QUOTE=WestMichBlue]Wait a minute. Isn't anyone going to discuss the difference between an improper CR and an illegal sub?

There isn't any! The CR is an illegal sub (8-9 Penalty) and is subject to 3-4.1.a Illegal Sub rules. CR called out, and restricted to the bench.

QUOTE]

It's my OP to hijack, right?

OK...if the PU was paying attention and had the freaking lineup in hand, it would be simple to prevent this. (I do more preventative umpiring in NFHS than ASA, because NFHS is slightly less punative - but I was the lowly BU and as a BU I don't want a lineup, tyvm.)

A simple "Coach, you can't do that" prevents heartaches...but again requires paying attention to the details.

AND...I would beg that an improper CR is NOT an illegal sub in NFHS.

[WestMichBlue]

Originally Posted by bkbjones

A simple "Coach, you can't do that" prevents heartaches...but again requires paying attention to the details.

AND...I would beg that an improper CR is NOT an illegal sub in NFHS.

I fully agree with your first sentence. Proper line-up management and the words "you can't do that" are supposed to prevent illegal subs from being in the line-up. If an illegal sub is discovered I feel it is the umpire's fault, but the player will pay the penalty.

Now - about that "improper CR." There is no such animal in the NFHS rule book (or ASA). You can have an "unreported CR," which is handled like any other unreported substitute - legal in the game once "Play" is declared by umpire. (Illegal Runner and disqualified in ASA.)

If a player is not a legal CR (already been in game, previously ran for a different player, substituted in the same half inning she was a CR, in for a DP who is batting for pitcher or catcher) then she is an illegal substitute. Called out, and restricted to the bench. (Illegal Player in ASA and disqualified.)

WMB

[bkbjones]

Originally Posted by WestMichBlue

I fully agree with your first sentence. Proper line-up management and the words "you can't do that" are supposed to prevent illegal subs from being in the line-up. If an illegal sub is discovered I feel it is the umpire's fault, but the player will pay the penalty.

Now - about that "improper CR." There is no such animal in the NFHS rule book (or ASA). You can have an "unreported CR," which is handled like any other unreported substitute - legal in the game once "Play" is declared by umpire. (Illegal Runner and disqualified in ASA.)

If a player is not a legal CR (already been in game, previously ran for a different player, substituted in the same half inning she was a CR, in for a DP who is batting for pitcher or catcher) then she is an illegal substitute. Called out, and restricted to the bench. (Illegal Player in ASA and disqualified.)

WMB

You are correct, sir.