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Dont you worry though, its basically a fairly slow board, so even with all the ado flowing around, you will still have enough time to invent your own flourishes and hand slaps for use as signals in games.
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Wade, sometimes you can be a real smartass, but that one made me laugh.
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If you consider it to be much ado about nothing, well, let's see for which list you qualify.
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Because it is treated like a force in all circumstances by ASA. I seem to recall that it is the ASA interpretation that the BR who overruns 1B can re-instate the force by overrunning back in the other direction toward home. IOW, the defense can retire the BR in that circumstance by merely tagging the base. I don't have time now to try to look this up... does anyone else remember this? We discussed it a year or two ago on this board.
That's right. ASA, unlike other codes, considers the BR to have "occupied" a previous base—home. The BR can in fact reinstate the force by retreating (though he wouldn't have to overrun 1B; he could simply stop on the base and then retreat). Therefore, in ASA the out on the BR at 1B is indistinguishable from a force play and should rightly be termed such. Since the rule change, I have treated the entire white/orange slab of the safety base as usable by either fielder or runner once the BR touches (or crosses 1B).
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Thats gutsy. You keep up the good work.
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"Therefore, in ASA the out on the BR at 1B is indistinguishable from a force play and should rightly be termed such."
Since the rule change, I have treated the entire white/orange slab of the safety base as usable by either fielder or runner once the BR touches (or crosses 1B). Imagine that...applying the rule using common sense. __________________ |
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My statements on the force play at 1B fall into the latter category, as do the treatment of the entire double base as usable by both teams. Umpires frequently use "common sense" as the justification for making up their own rules. Not saying you are doing that, just a caution to not take what you said too far.
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It's certainly true that "common sense" gets you only so far. We can all cite rules that are anything but common sense. To me, the one at the very top of the list is the play in ASA where the batting team benefits when the BR deliberately interferes with F3 on a pop fly.
Under no other code (that I know of) can that happen.
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I replied to your advice by referencing Greymule's post as demonstrating that the rule book and common sense are intertwined. I don't how you could interpret the post as an insult, but since you did, I apologize. |
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The rule book and common sense are intertwined, but the rulings made cannot be contradictory to the rule book. Common sense should be an extension of the known, not a replacement of it.
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