Does The Run Count?

[UMPIRELARRY]

This is a 16U Girls Fastpitch Softball Game. Runners on 1B and 3B with one out. Both runner tag up on a flyball, which is caught for the second out. Runner at 3B tags up properly and scores, but runner at 1B leaves too early. SITUATION #1: While ball is live, defense throws ball to 1B ahead of the runner, and the umpire calls runner out for leaving too early. Does the run from 3B count since it scored before the third out was recorded? (i.e. this isn't a force out) SITUATION #2: Defense makes a "dead ball" appeal that runner from 1B left too early, and umpire calls runner out for the third out. Does the run from 3B count since it scored before the third out was called on the appeal? THANKS.

[NSABlue]

As long as the runner from 3rd base scored before the appeal was done, then YES, the run counts on both occasions.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by UMPIRELARRY

This is a 16U Girls Fastpitch Softball Game. Runners on 1B and 3B with one out. Both runner tag up on a flyball, which is caught for the second out. Runner at 3B tags up properly and scores, but runner at 1B leaves too early. SITUATION #1: While ball is live, defense throws ball to 1B ahead of the runner, and the umpire calls runner out for leaving too early. Does the run from 3B count since it scored before the third out was recorded? (i.e. this isn't a force out) SITUATION #2: Defense makes a "dead ball" appeal that runner from 1B left too early, and umpire calls runner out for the third out. Does the run from 3B count since it scored before the third out was called on the appeal? THANKS.

As you pointed out, neither situation is a force out. Neither situation puts out the runner that scored. And neither situation puts out the runner in advance of the runner that scored.

Turn your question around. What rule would then say the run did not score?

[Skahtboi]

Both of the previous posters are correct.

Just wanted to say welcome to the board UmpireLarry.

[UMPIRELARRY]

What a great site this is. Thanks so much for the clarification. I know where to come when I have a question! AND IT'S FREE!!!!!!

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by UMPIRELARRY

What a great site this is. Thanks so much for the clarification. I know where to come when I have a question! AND IT'S FREE!!!!!!

Hey, come here and read the posts even when you don't have a question, and you may be surprised at how many questions, or comments, you suddenly have. Not to mention how much you may learn.

[wadeintothem]

Welcome to the board!