Proof Positive, New Jersey is run by idiots

[booker227]

IT's not so much the present day bat's makeup as it is the game itself which has gone through severe changes, the athletes and the dimension of the fields.
The game is faster, the girls more stronger and athletic, the bats more potent, but the dimensions of the field remain the same.
The pitcher's mound needs to be moved back. Also, I believe some defensive positions should be required to wear face guards and light chest protectors.
Some might laugh, but I've seen too many career ending injuries occur.
The girls will not give up their bats.

[tcblue13]

Originally Posted by booker227

The pitcher's mound needs to be moved back. Also, I believe some defensive positions should be required to wear face guards and light chest protectors. . .The girls will not give up their bats.

Pitcher's mound? What pitcher's mound. This board has discussed moving the Pitcher's plate back before to 43' That may well happen in the future
How is mandating protective equipment any different from a rules org declaring certain bats illegal?
The girls will give up their bats if ASA or some other sanctioning body says they will.

Some might laugh, but I've seen too many career ending injuries occur.

Please elaborate. I for one would interested in the anecdotal specifics.

[AtlUmpSteve]

I, for one, think we could accomplish the same affect with less overall impact by lowering the .COR of the game balls. Changing the .47 ball for a .44 ball would create a more than 6% reduction in the resultant force from the bat impact. I think that is a favorable alternative to reducing bat perfprmance 6%, and would certainly be less costly.

[Skahtboi]

I am for moving the pitching plate back to the 43' mark, as we have already discussed in another thread. I am against any mandating of safety equipment by either the governing body of the game, or by the government itself. If parents, players, and coaches have concerns, then they certainly should be able to figure out what they need to in the area of safety equipment without it being forced upon them. I could also see approving the reduction in the COR of the ball, as Steve proposed.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

I am for moving the pitching plate back to the 43' mark, as we have already discussed in another thread. I am against any mandating of safety equipment by either the governing body of the game, or by the government itself. If parents, players, and coaches have concerns, then they certainly should be able to figure out what they need to in the area of safety equipment without it being forced upon them. I could also see approving the reduction in the COR of the ball, as Steve proposed.

SP changed to a .44 COR, but it was stated that the compression has more bearing on the ball's exit speed. It was proposed for FP also, but I cannot remember why that wasn't changed.

With all the headaches we have been through with the bats, helmets and facemasks, haven't you people caught on yet? The moment something is mandated, everyone will cheer UNTIL they realize it will take more than a year to develop a base line for safety, determine the standard, have NOCSAE approve it, run it through their probationary period prior to final approval and then ALL the equipment previously used on a voluntary basis is no longer legal equipment.

Even though something like this is with good intentions, it is fraught with issues, softball, personal and legal.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

With all the headaches we have been through with the bats, helmets and facemasks, haven't you people caught on yet?

Who are you talking to when you say "you people?" If you reread my post, you will note that I said I am "against mandating" any equipment changes for safety reasons. I believe that parents, players and coaches should realize what they have available to them in the safety equipment without anyone mandating its use.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

Who are you talking to when you say "you people?" If you reread my post, you will note that I said I am "against mandating" any equipment changes for safety reasons. I believe that parents, players and coaches should realize what they have available to them in the safety equipment without anyone mandating its use.

I understand that, but knowing that, you should realize I wasn't speaking to you, Scott

[FUBLUE]

...But the two kids who have been to New Jersey (at least until they were caught) do agree that....

NEW JERSEY IS RUN BY IDIOTS!

[LMan]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

I, for one, think we could accomplish the same affect with less overall impact by lowering the .COR of the game balls. Changing the .47 ball for a .44 ball would create a more than 6% reduction in the resultant force from the bat impact. I think that is a favorable alternative to reducing bat perfprmance 6%, and would certainly be less costly.

I support an even more effective change to small iron cannonballs. These will not leave the bat more than a few inches no matter how hard they are struck.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by LMan

I support an even more effective change to small iron cannonballs. These will not leave the bat more than a few inches no matter how hard they are struck.

But they sure are difficult to pitch or throw with any effectiveness.

[greymule]

I have lived in the once-great Garden State for more than 50 years, and it is indeed run by idiots, particularly of the nanny-state variety. We had a governor known unaffectionately as "Flim-Flam," for example, who saw to it that restaurants were forbidden to serve eggs that were the least bit runny. (Public outrage put an end to that one.) Our legislature has decreed that as soon as the attorney general of the state deems the technology "available," every firearm sold in the state will have to contain a sensor that prevents it from being fired except by the "hand" programmed into it. (Don't think—vote!) In case you hadn't looked, our attorney general was recently fired for, among other things, being a scofflaw who didn't take care of her mountain of traffic tickets. (The fact that she was utterly incompetent was immaterial.) And one former governor has apparently returned to trolling highway rest stops.

(Of course it has long been common knowledge that New Jersey is run by crooks, too. Frankly, I'd take crooks over nanny-state idiots any day.)

So it's no surprise that our legislature is considering banning metal bats. Don't look into the matter. Don't ask anyone who knows anything about sports equipment. TheTrenton Times simply ran an editorial glibly claiming "advantage batter" from non-wood bats, and demanded a ban.

Not all that long ago, New Jersey was a low-tax, business-friendly state. But it is now fast becoming very much like New York City: OK if you're rich or poor, but not if you're somewhere in the middle. In fact, if it were not for immigration, mainly from the Far East but also from Mexico and Guatemala, New Jersey would be losing population rapidly—the old residents are leaving in great numbers. And the people of New Jersey complain but keep returning the high-tax nanny-staters to office.

I am very partisan in my politics, and I used to write to my legislators. But in NJ today, believe me, there is no bigger waste of time. They do not care what a constituent thinks, because it's all fixed. New Jersey sends 13 representatives to the U.S. House (7 Democrats, 6 Republicans). In 2004, all 13 won by 17 points or more.

So we will ban metal bats. Meanwhile, the guy who murdered 7-year-old Megan Kanka (in 1994) watches TV and plays cards. I predict, incidentally, that before our present governor leaves office, he will commute the sentences of all the killers on death row. In a great example of cost-effectiveness, that governor bought a seat in the U.S. Senate 6 years ago. He served 5 years and botched every job his party gave him to do, then quit to run for governor. It cost him, out of his own pocket, $29,000 per day for the time he was a U.S. Senator.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by greymule

I have lived in the once-great Garden State for more than 50 years, and it is indeed run by idiots, particularly of the nanny-state variety. We had a governor known unaffectionately as "Flim-Flam," for example, who saw to it that restaurants were forbidden to serve eggs that were the least bit runny. (Public outrage put an end to that one.) Our legislature has decreed that as soon as the attorney general of the state deems the technology "available," every firearm sold in the state will have to contain a sensor that prevents it from being fired except by the "hand" programmed into it. (Don't think—vote!) In case you hadn't looked, our attorney general was recently fired for, among other things, being a scofflaw who didn't take care of her mountain of traffic tickets. (The fact that she was utterly incompetent was immaterial.) And one former governor has apparently returned to trolling highway rest stops.

(Of course it has long been common knowledge that New Jersey is run by crooks, too. Frankly, I'd take crooks over nanny-state idiots any day.)

So it's no surprise that our legislature is considering banning metal bats. Don't look into the matter. Don't ask anyone who knows anything about sports equipment. TheTrenton Times simply ran an editorial glibly claiming "advantage batter" from non-wood bats, and demanded a ban.

Not all that long ago, New Jersey was a low-tax, business-friendly state. But it is now fast becoming very much like New York City: OK if you're rich or poor, but not if you're somewhere in the middle. In fact, if it were not for immigration, mainly from the Far East but also from Mexico and Guatemala, New Jersey would be losing population rapidly—the old residents are leaving in great numbers. And the people of New Jersey complain but keep returning the high-tax nanny-staters to office.

I am very partisan in my politics, and I used to write to my legislators. But in NJ today, believe me, there is no bigger waste of time. They do not care what a constituent thinks, because it's all fixed. New Jersey sends 13 representatives to the U.S. House (7 Democrats, 6 Republicans). In 2004, all 13 won by 17 points or more.

So we will ban metal bats. Meanwhile, the guy who murdered 7-year-old Megan Kanka (in 1994) watches TV and plays cards. I predict, incidentally, that before our present governor leaves office, he will commute the sentences of all the killers on death row. In a great example of cost-effectiveness, that governor bought a seat in the U.S. Senate 6 years ago. He served 5 years and botched every job his party gave him to do, then quit to run for governor. It cost him, out of his own pocket, $29,000 per day for the time he was a U.S. Senator.

Not to mention, yall are radioactive.

[LMan]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

But they sure are difficult to pitch or throw with any effectiveness.

A minor point - if it saves even one child's life....

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by LMan

A minor point - if it saves even one child's life....

It would save at least one childs life to cease the use of all automobiles; however, we dont do that. It would surely save a childs live to make every kid wear bright orange and walk around in helmets, after having their parents screened for a minimum level of aptitude and requiring parental licensing to allow them to breed. "If it saves one child's life" can be used to make just about any argument you can fathom, as such has no real meaning, and is rhetoric, certainly not a point.