Proof Positive, New Jersey is run by idiots

[LIIRISHMAN]

So Irish tell me where do we as a society draw the line on laws that help us as a people. When ASA comes down with a Rule that's comparable to a Law ,isn't it? We as umpires enforce safety issues every game we do. When indivuals can't or won't protect themselves then it's up to Government to step in. Otherwise wejust as well should be in IRAQ!

[LIIRISHMAN]

Sorry to disagree with all here but I'm for banning the bats. They've become lethal weapons out there. When a 12 yr old can cause death just by hitting a ball something needs to be done. I do rec ball here on L.I. New York and I'm fearful of getting hit. Can you still cause injury with a wooden bat,sure but not a catastrophic one like the Metal ones can.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by LIIRISHMAN

Sorry to disagree with all here but I'm for banning the bats. They've become lethal weapons out there. When a 12 yr old can cause death just by hitting a ball something needs to be done. I do rec ball here on L.I. New York and I'm fearful of getting hit. Can you still cause injury with a wooden bat,sure but not a catastrophic one like the Metal ones can.

Other than personal opinion, there is absolutely nothing to substantiate this comment.

This is not a valid issue for legislation. It is a "Chicken Little" theory that is absurd, and being used as a political tool. What happens next year when a kid gets killed (which did not happen in the case of point) by a shot off a wood bat?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Other than personal opinion, there is absolutely nothing to substantiate this comment.

This is not a valid issue for legislation. It is a "Chicken Little" theory that is absurd, and being used as a political tool. What happens next year when a kid gets killed (which did not happen in the case of point) by a shot off a wood bat?

Or has an eye put out or other serious injury by a broken wood bat?

Idiot "we are smarter than you and can tell you what to do for your own good" politicians are, unfortunately, not limited to NJ. It is everywhere and covering all aspects of our lives.

Leave this kind of thing to the leagues, the sanctioning bodies, and to personal, individual, parental decisions. I can make my own decisions, thank you very much, and I have much greater faith in the individual than I do in any vote-buying, pandering politician.

[tcblue13]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Or has an eye put out or other serious injury by a broken wood bat?

Idiot "we are smarter than you and can tell you what to do for your own good" politicians are, unfortunately, not limited to NJ. It is everywhere and covering all aspects of our lives.

Leave this kind of thing to the leagues, the sanctioning bodies, and to personal, individual, parental decisions. I can make my own decisions, thank you very much, and I have much greater faith in the individual than I do in any vote-buying, pandering politician.

Come to think of it, Didn't Steve Yeager invent the dangling throat protector because he was injured by a broken wooden bat while on deck?

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by LIIRISHMAN

Sorry to disagree with all here but I'm for banning the bats. They've become lethal weapons out there. When a 12 yr old can cause death just by hitting a ball something needs to be done. I do rec ball here on L.I. New York and I'm fearful of getting hit. Can you still cause injury with a wooden bat,sure but not a catastrophic one like the Metal ones can.

But the whole point is, if a group doesn't like bats other than wooden ones, you start a league that uses only wooden bats. Don't look to someone to legislate to you how you, or others, should conduct yourself.

[Skahtboi]

Well....maybe I should have read on before I posted that last post. As per usual, I see that Tom has made the argument very eloquently.

[bluezebra]

Originally Posted by bigsig

Just herd on this evenings news that NYC is now considering the same legislation!

"Herd" as in I HEARD a HERD of cattle running by?

Bob

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by bluezebra

"Herd" as in I HEARD a HERD of cattle running by?

Bob

In the case of state legislators, correct.

[booker227]

IT's not so much the present day bat's makeup as it is the game itself which has gone through severe changes, the athletes and the dimension of the fields.
The game is faster, the girls more stronger and athletic, the bats more potent, but the dimensions of the field remain the same.
The pitcher's mound needs to be moved back. Also, I believe some defensive positions should be required to wear face guards and light chest protectors.
Some might laugh, but I've seen too many career ending injuries occur.
The girls will not give up their bats.

[tcblue13]

Originally Posted by booker227

The pitcher's mound needs to be moved back. Also, I believe some defensive positions should be required to wear face guards and light chest protectors. . .The girls will not give up their bats.

Pitcher's mound? What pitcher's mound. This board has discussed moving the Pitcher's plate back before to 43' That may well happen in the future
How is mandating protective equipment any different from a rules org declaring certain bats illegal?
The girls will give up their bats if ASA or some other sanctioning body says they will.

Some might laugh, but I've seen too many career ending injuries occur.

Please elaborate. I for one would interested in the anecdotal specifics.

[AtlUmpSteve]

I, for one, think we could accomplish the same affect with less overall impact by lowering the .COR of the game balls. Changing the .47 ball for a .44 ball would create a more than 6% reduction in the resultant force from the bat impact. I think that is a favorable alternative to reducing bat perfprmance 6%, and would certainly be less costly.

[Skahtboi]

I am for moving the pitching plate back to the 43' mark, as we have already discussed in another thread. I am against any mandating of safety equipment by either the governing body of the game, or by the government itself. If parents, players, and coaches have concerns, then they certainly should be able to figure out what they need to in the area of safety equipment without it being forced upon them. I could also see approving the reduction in the COR of the ball, as Steve proposed.

[LMan]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

I, for one, think we could accomplish the same affect with less overall impact by lowering the .COR of the game balls. Changing the .47 ball for a .44 ball would create a more than 6% reduction in the resultant force from the bat impact. I think that is a favorable alternative to reducing bat perfprmance 6%, and would certainly be less costly.

I support an even more effective change to small iron cannonballs. These will not leave the bat more than a few inches no matter how hard they are struck.

[bluezebra]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

http://www.nj.com/search/index.ssf?/...ger?nnj&coll=1

Of course it is. Otherwise they'd move the state to a better location.

Anyone who follows baseball knows that today's wooden bats don't crack. They SHATTER. Which is much more dangerous to a pitcher, and everyone else in the infield, than a ball coming off an aluminum bat.

Bob