tag on batter/runner

[Andy]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Assume you are the BU not 100% sure of the tag, but if you had to make the call, you would call the out. You glance at your partner and it appears that he has a good look at the play. What is the best way to handle this?

a) Make the call (OUT). If the coach requests, you go to your parter for help.
b) Make the call (SAFE), and then check with your partner on your own.
c) Point to your partner (giving up the call).

My answer is a variation of B.

I'm not going to do anything on the tag/no tag. I will let the play finish, then go to my partner with the question - DID YOU SEE A TAG? My call will be made as a result of the answer.

I will also watch the succeeding actions of the BR and/or fielder. If the BR gives up running and starts for the dugout, I'm calling the out. If the fielder reaches for the tag, then turns and throws the ball to first, I will make the call based on what happens at first base.

[CecilOne]

Unless you are sure you saw an actual tag, the runner is safe; until your partner convinces you otherwise or it's raining in the seventh inning of a blowout.

[Antonella]

About this issue I agree with those who say 'call SAFE and - if requested - go for help to your partner'.
BTW in a game I saw 1 month ago a very difficult situation occurred:
Bottom of VII
Home team down by only a run (can't remember... something like 2-3 or so)
Runner on 3rd
Two outs
BU is of course positioned behind 2-3 line
Batter hits a gounder to SS and the subsequent throw was not perfect
1st baseman had to move a little in the direction of home
There was a swipe tag (very very fast and with BR very close to 1st base)

BU called SAFE (because NOT sure about the tag and used also the pointing to say BR was safe because of pulled foot)

Now defensive coach asked TIME and go to BU, saying BR was out because of the tag and asking him to go for help to his partner

Two umpires had a little talk and PU convinced BU the tag was real and effectively BR was out...
'Have the right call' was the filosophy of BU... game end.

They needed an escort to reach dressing rooms...

Ciao

P.S. Sometimes I hate two-umpire-system... because of this kind of problems!!!

[Antonella]

I forgot to ask: if you were PU... did you say something BEFORE BU calls this?

Grazie e ciao

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Antonella

... Bottom of VII

Game played in Rome?

Originally Posted by Antonella

I forgot to ask: if you were PU... did you say something BEFORE BU calls this?

Grazie e ciao

No. Wait for your partner to ask.

I agree that this call has its problems with the 2 man system, but the request from the defensive coach and the umpire conference are all a normal part of it, too. Sounds like some fans / players need to get a grip.

[Antonella]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Game played in Rome?

Yeah! How did you get it?
In Italy we often use roman numbers when it need to say 2nd, 3rd, etc. And I must admit I prefer to say I was born in MCMLXVI, instead to say...

Dakota, how would YOU handle this kind of situation?
If you were BU... do you really go and CHANGE your call on this specific sitch?
Imagine all fans were cheering beacause the run that re-opened the game was just scored...


Ciao

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by Antonella

Yeah! How did you get it?
In Italy we often use roman numbers when it need to say 2nd, 3rd, etc. And I must admit I prefer to say I was born in MCMLXVI, instead to say...

1966? Aw...you're still a young pup..

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Antonella

Yeah! How did you get it?

Just a wild guess!

Originally Posted by Antonella

Dakota, how would YOU handle this kind of situation?
If you were BU... do you really go and CHANGE your call on this specific sitch?

Yes, I would. The way it was handled was OK, but there is another way. If the BU saw the possible swipe tag, but was just unsure if it was made, then before making the call, he can look at his partner, and if he seems to have a good look at the swipe, point to him and say "TAG?" Depending on his response, BU goes with either "PULLED FOOT - NO TAG - SAFE" or "TAG - OUT".

[Antonella]

Originally Posted by Dakota

... but there is another way. If the BU saw the possible swipe tag, but was just unsure if it was made, then before making the call, he can look at his partner, and if he seems to have a good look at the swipe, point to him and say "TAG?" Depending on his response, BU goes with either "PULLED FOOT - NO TAG - SAFE" or "TAG - OUT".

That's great. THANK YOU!

Ciao e grazie ancora!

[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

No, but the post to which I was responding specifically stated that the coach asked Shipwreck to go for help.

Mike, I think you have stolen my filter - I don't read it that way.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

Mike, I think you have stolen my filter - I don't read it that way.

Really? Here is an excerpt from the post to which I responded.

and the coach came out and asked me if I would ask my partner,

How else can you read it?

[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by shipwreck

Had a game last night in which I was the BU. Batter/runner in the 3' running lane and fielder fielded the ball and made what I thought looked like a tag even though the tag was made on the foul side of the batter/runner. I called her out. Then after the play was done I went and conferred with the PU if he had seen anything different. He stated that he didn't see anything because he was watching the girl from third touch home, so I stayed with my out call. Is that proper mechanics to go to my partner after I called her out or not? My thinking later made me wonder. If I called her out, I must have seen something that made me think she was out, similiar to if I am PU and I say the batter offered at a pitch and call a strike, I don't then go to the BU and ask if she went. How should this be handled? Dave

OK Mike, on my screen this is labled as #1 - I do not even see the word "coach" in this post. Was the original post in another thread?

[shipwreck]

Larry, refer to post #10. I wrote post #1 and #10. I am sure Mike is quoting #10. Dave

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by shipwreck

Larry, refer to post #10. I wrote post #1 and #10. I am sure Mike is quoting #10. Dave

Correct.

That is why a poster should cite to which s/he is responding, which is exactly what I did.

[Mountaineer]

I stand corrected. Allow me to offer my most humble of aplogies to Mike!