Should conceding defeat be allowed?

[bluezebra]

In my area, a HS coach who pulls her/his team off the field, is fired after a hearing.

As for getting clobbered. Back in the mid-80s, the visiting team in a private HS game scored 19 runs in the top of the seventh. Luckily, I didn't have that game.

Bob

[WestMichBlue]

One of four NFHS game ending rules, if adopted by State Association, allows the team behind by more than 15 runs to end the game at anytime.

Just because I wear the Blue does not mean that as a human being I lose my feelings of empathy for kids getting whipped. If a game is out of control early, I will manage to discretely let a coach know his legal options for ending a game.

WMB

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by WestMichBlue

One of four NFHS game ending rules, if adopted by State Association, allows the team behind by more than 15 runs to end the game at anytime.

Just because I wear the Blue does not mean that as a human being I lose my feelings of empathy for kids getting whipped. If a game is out of control early, I will manage to discretely let a coach know his legal options for ending a game.

WMB

I have never seen that one in writing. I am in Michigan. Where would that be written?

Do you also tell coaches when their pitchers should throw a change up? Umpires have NO BUSINESS getting involved in this sort of thing.

[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

I have never seen that one in writing. I am in Michigan. Where would that be written?

Do you also tell coaches when their pitchers should throw a change up? Umpires have NO BUSINESS getting involved in this sort of thing.

I think you are very wrong here. I would never tell a coach to quit - never. My post was in talking to the WINNING coach. I agree with one of the other posts - I'm also a compassionate person and feel empathy for the other team. I have told coaches in basketball - without hesitation - when they are continuing to press, and beating a team's brains out "Back 'em up coach" If they don't I start calling the ticky-tack stuff to back them up. There's no sense in humiliating a team. If you think that's wrong - don't have me scheduled for any of your games.

[WestMichBlue]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

I have never seen that one in writing. I am in Michigan. Where would that be written?

Hopefully you are not a MHSAA registered official; otherwise you have no excuse for making that statement. Read your Officials Guide.

Do you also tell coaches when their pitchers should throw a change up? Umpires have NO BUSINESS getting involved in this sort of thing.

Don't get all bent out of shape, Washburn. All we are talking about are RULES - which I get from reading my Officials Guide. I used the word "descretely" in my post to describe my actions in letting the losing coach know what his legal options are.

WMB

[Andy]

Here in AZ, we do not have time limits on any HS game at any level. We play seven innings. The only game ending rule we have adopted is the 10 runs ahead after 5 innings.

We have some FR and JV coaches that only want to play for a certain time, say 1:30. When they approach the umpire with this request, we have asked our umpires to reply:

Coach, I cannot legally agree to a time limit, but if your team refuses to take the field at any time, I can't force you to do so.....

How the game gets scored is not my concern.

[jwwashburn]

Originally Posted by WestMichBlue

Hopefully you are not a MHSAA registered official; otherwise you have no excuse for making that statement. Read your Officials Guide.

WMB, I had never noticed that one before-thanks for pointing it ot to me.

Page 51. However, that option is in effect ONLY IF: (Schools, leagues or invitational tournament management shall determine which are to be utilized with prior mutual written consent) I do not know of any schools around here that have done this. I will check with my assignor, though.

Thanks,

Joe

[Stat-Man]

Originally Posted by jwwashburn

I have never seen that one in writing. I am in Michigan. Where would that be written?

I'm not sure of the document's official name, but there is a document that comes out every year that lists the State-Association rules that the MHSAA has chosen to adopt.

I believe, however, it's up to conferenced to adopt these rules, including the 15 run margin at any time rule.

[Dukat]

I am glad we have the State Adoption that at any time if both coaches agree the game can be called by mercy rule. We only officially have the 10 after 5 rule set in stone with a number of runs by this inning format but the "both coaches agreement" rule comes in handy from time to time. With that said, I also dont think it is in the best interest of anyone for the umpire to initiate that conversation and I only bring it up if the team behind asks me if there are any options.