FLEX unannounced

[Bluerotor]

PONY 14U Nationals: a batter is put out for the first out of the inning after which the offensive coach walks by me (plate ump) and casually states in a barely audible voice, "I just batted my FLEX," to which I replied, “Well nobody has said anything.” FLEX batted as the 10th batter--DP was in the 7th position. The next batter, the leadoff, hits the first pitch and achieves first base. Now the defensive coach requests time and asks, “Can the runner on first can bat without any penalty?” Defensive coach also states the offense batted their FLEX. How would you rule on this situation?

[Bluerotor]

Next to last sentance should read, "Now the defensive coach requests time and asks, “Can the runner on first bat without any penalty?”

[Dakota]

Don't know Pony rules.

The FLEX batting 10th is an illegal batter in ASA, and the protest by the defense can be made as long as the illegal player is still in the game. In ASA, this is not BOO.

[mcrowder]

But Dakota, the 10th batter was put out, and the team is still batting - who can say whether the 10th batter is "still in the game" illegally or not?

[bigsig]

Your first option was to correct it when the offensive coach "wispered". The Flex was an unreported/illegal sub. Since a pitch was thrown the Flex would be disqualified but replaced with another runner. Same penalty when the defensive coach raised the issue.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

But Dakota, the 10th batter was put out, and the team is still batting - who can say whether the 10th batter is "still in the game" illegally or not?

She's still in the lineup, isn't she? (Actually, I misread the situation... I thought she was on base.)

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Don't know Pony rules.

PONY rule is the same as NFHS/ASA - all copied DP/FLEX from the same source.

[Woodchuck]

The rule for the DP/Flex position are the same in PONY, ASA and NFHS.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

PONY

I keep forgetting that the name is a backronym.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Dakota

I keep forgetting that the name is a backronym.

Right, we don't want to get confused with NFed, Asa, Nsa, Usssssssaaa, or nc2a.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by bigsig

Your first option was to correct it when the offensive coach "wispered".

EXACTLY - this should have been "fixed" right at that second, which, since she didn't reach base, would have no effect on the gameflow other than the DQ.

Since a pitch was thrown the Flex would be disqualified but replaced with another runner.

2 questions: 1) Why does she have to be replaced with another runner - she's sitting in the dugout. 2) If she WAS on base - how can you replace her with another runner? If they showed up with 10, would there be a legal sub? If they had an extra, what status does the sub have, since she's entering a slot in the lineup that doesn't exist? (OK .. that's 4 questions).

[Dakota]

She could be replaced with a legal sub. That way they would keep the FLEX position in the lineup. Otherwise, they would go to 9 players in the lineup.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Right, we don't want to get confused with NFed, Asa, Nsa, Usssssssaaa, or nc2a.

I didn't say acronym. I said "backronym."

[AtlUmpSteve]

There's another part of this, I believe, that no one is addressing. Yes, the FLEX was an illegal player/sub, who batted after the 9th batter, as long as the batter who is listed next, #1, isn't the DP. When leadoff hit next, rather than #2, that is also an illegal player/sub, as re-entering the game unreported in the 2nd batting position, which the defense has just appealed prior to the next pitch!!

We now have two illegal players, both of whom need be DQ'd; without a legal sub, we are playing shorthanded.