Warmup pitches

[BuggBob]

it is a USSSA rule. At least it was on the test. The "new" pitcher must face one batter.

Bugg

[CecilOne]

IF the position change has not been reported to the PU, it didn't happen.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by BuggBob

it is a USSSA rule. At least it was on the test. The "new" pitcher must face one batter.

Bugg

Are you sure? USSSA requires that a relief pitcher face at least one batter, but the crux of the question is, does a player tossing a couple of pitches to the catcher from the pitcher's plate between innings mean that player is now a relief pitcher?

[Bluefoot]

In ASA SP...

Would these first 2 warmup pitches by F3 count towards the three total alotted the defense by rule 6 (SP) Section 8 - Warm Up Pitches, or do you still give F1 no more than 1 minute to complete no more than 3 additional warm up pitches of his own?

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by Bluefoot

In ASA SP...

Would these first 2 warmup pitches by F3 count towards the three total alotted the defense by rule 6 (SP) Section 8 - Warm Up Pitches, or do you still give F1 no more than 1 minute to complete no more than 3 additional warm up pitches of his own?

The way I was taught when I did SP many years ago (and it then dealt mostly with F1 coming in and throwng the ball to F6 overhand) was that the ball gets to leave SOMEONE'S hand 3 times; don't care who throws it, whom they throw it to, or how it is thrown. In the case of your question, one left. Without a reported change, I have no change.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Are you sure? USSSA requires that a relief pitcher face at least one batter, but the crux of the question is, does a player tossing a couple of pitches to the catcher from the pitcher's plate between innings mean that player is now a relief pitcher?

According to the USSSA SP Rules Book, yes. The rule can be found under 5:3:B:4 and 5:3:d. It states:

"A player or a substitute shall be considered in the game...If a pitcher, when he occupies the pitcher's plate and delivers a practice pitch. (5:3:b:4)"

"Each pitcher whose name is entered on the original lineup, or who is announced as a substitute pitcher, or who takes a position on the pitcher's plate and delivers one practice pitch, must then pitch to the first batter facing him until that batter has completed his turn at bat, or the side has been retired. (5:3:d)"

[Hoosier_Dave]

Guys, let's not overanalyze this. ASA FP says nothing about someone other than the pitcher throwing the ball to the catcher from the mound. If a player other than the pitcher tosses a few to the catcher before the pitcher gets there, so what? Once the pitcher gets to the mound, she gets 3 pitches in 1 minute.

If the opposing coach complains, I'm telling him there's no rule that says a non-pitcher can't toss a ball to the catcher anywhere on the field.

Let's use a bit of common sense.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Hoosier_Dave

Guys, let's not overanalyze this. ASA FP says nothing about someone other than the pitcher throwing the ball to the catcher from the mound. If a player other than the pitcher tosses a few to the catcher before the pitcher gets there, so what? Once the pitcher gets to the mound, she gets 3 pitches in 1 minute.

If the opposing coach complains, I'm telling him there's no rule that says a non-pitcher can't toss a ball to the catcher anywhere on the field.

Let's use a bit of common sense.

Right, especially "no rule that says a non-pitcher can't toss a ball to the catcher"; except technically the 1 minute starts with the previous third out, so the other fielder might use the whole time.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Hoosier_Dave

Guys, let's not overanalyze this. ASA FP says nothing about someone other than the pitcher throwing the ball to the catcher from the mound. If a player other than the pitcher tosses a few to the catcher before the pitcher gets there, so what? Once the pitcher gets to the mound, she gets 3 pitches in 1 minute.

If it is FP as you indicated, it's five pitches in one minute.

Also, as the plate umpire my only concern is how many times the catcher receives the ball. I'm not the hall monitor making sure the right person is throwing them..

And, if we truly enforced the one minute, it would be rare that any pitcher ever received their alloted amount of pitches.

[Dakota]

Most of our FP leagues have a 3 warmup pitch rule after the 1st inning (unless there is a pitcher change).

[Hoosier_Dave]

Oooops. Mike's right. It's 5 pitches in FP, 3 in SP. 1K pardons. From my experience, most pitchers are pretty territorial of the mound. No one else goes there.

Let the pitcher toss a few to get her arm loose, send it down, and call the batter up. In league play, I don't count. Tourneys with travel teams, I count. Seems like half the time, the catcher is still putting gear on.

I know this isn't proper mechanics, so don't blast me please. In league play, for the first inning, I tell the pitcher (both teams), let me know when you're ready. If it's 7 or 8 pitches, no one seems to mind.

[Mountaineer]

I agree with Mike, one minute goes by and they haven't thrown their pitches. I'm not a hard-*** about it. I usually tell the catcher in the first inning "5 this inning and 3 every other inning". If they take a little longer when they come out, I tell them to send it on the first pitch. I've found that better pitchers in HS, and most in College and ASA just throw one or two and they are ready to play. It works for me.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by BuggBob

it is a USSSA rule. At least it was on the test. The "new" pitcher must face one batter.

Bugg

Only in USSSA SP, not in FP.