"Over the batter's head"?!

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

I didn't want to start a new post, so added to this one after doing a search.

We do several SP leagues which provide for an "extra" foul ball after the batter has two strikes.

I do not recall seeing a SP foul tip. All those goofy swings that barely contact the ball often result in a little loopy foul ball that F2 can sometimes reach for an out.

My hypothetical situation is if a batter has two strikes "and one to spare" and then we have a foul tip [sharply, directly back to the catcher's glove and held], do we have a strike out or move to "two strikes and none to spare"?

I have my opinion and have heard from a couple of my local guys. Thought I'd put it out there for some inputs.

Thanx.

Unless the local association has a rule specifically providing for this, I have a strike and an out. In terms of rules, a foul tip is handled the same as a called strike.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Unless the local association has a rule specifically providing for this, I have a strike and an out. In terms of rules, a foul tip is handled the same as a called strike.

Or a swinging strike.

[NCASAUmp]

I've always been surprised that there's no verbal for a foul tip. It's just brushing off the fingers, then go into a hammer. That's it. No verbal.

Just about anytime I've ever called it, I've always had confused players.

[Dakota]

What verbal would you want? If you want to see confused players, try verbalizing "FOUL TIP"

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Dakota

What verbal would you want? If you want to see confused players, try verbalizing "FOUL TIP"

Strike. Just strike.

"Is that a foul ball, blue?" "Isn't that an out?"

The hammer means strike or out, but on such rare occasions that we have foul tips, it'd be good, in my opinion to have a verbal "strike" call. Nothing more.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Strike. Just strike.

"Is that a foul ball, blue?" "Isn't that an out?"

The hammer means strike or out, but on such rare occasions that we have foul tips, it'd be good, in my opinion to have a verbal "strike" call. Nothing more.

Do you verbalize on a swinging strike?

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Do you verbalize on a swinging strike?

No, but that is where the bat does not make contact with the ball. If the bat makes contact with the ball, the lack of a verbal detracts from the call. I believe it does not show certainty in the call, even if the PU gives an immediate visual signal. It's almost like it's a half call. A foul tip is not an "obvious call" to everyone in the stands and on the field, which is why we often give no verbal on certain calls like obvious foul balls or, in your example, a swinging strike.

We verbalize a called strike (when the batter doesn't swing). We even verbalize a called ball. Why are we not verbalizing a foul tip for a strike? How would verbalizing "strike" on a foul tip detract from the game?

Originally Posted by Dakota

What verbal would you want? If you want to see confused players, try verbalizing "FOUL TIP"

This is the route I go, because you never know what ucking fidiots we have in our games. We're not ALL blessed with booksmart players.