Here is one that caused a stir this weekend

[baldgriff]

OOOPs my bad. Yes runner at 3rd cam home. Just real tired. I did 22 games this weekend all one man during a Natl Q. This play was being talked about the rest of the evening on Saturday and again on Sunday.

[LMan]

Well, Mike and co. figured it out as it stood, so I must be the dense one

I'm curious as to the possibility of an abandonment call here, as the losing team wanted to see. If R2 or R3 called out for abandonment before R3 touches the plate, and then b/r thrown at first, no run scores?

Just musing.

[mcrowder]

How could you possibly have R1 or R2 out for abandonment prior to R3 scoring? They didn't abandon (according to OP) until they saw the run score. And abandonment is not typically a call that is made while the ball is still being thrown around in any case.

Technically, I suppose the cases could be made that the runners eventually abandoned their bases, and called out, but since BR was put out at first, these outs would be timing plays after the run had scored, and thus irrelevant.

[baldgriff]

Well I agree with all of you guys.

There is no rule that says the runner has to go directly to 2nd base from first or to 3rd from 2nd. Otherwise we would be calling baseline infractions for every player that rounds the bag to wide. The losing team was grasping at straws out of the baseline, abandonment. All of the options they were choosing were options that did not change the run scoring before the last out.

Anyway, this play was talked about for the whole weekend. Anyone that asked me about it was told. I didnt see the play, but from what I heard the rule was applied correctly. The only option the defense had was to get the force at 2nd and then 1st.

The ruling was upheld by the UIC of the tourney. Needless to say, the ump making that call was under the gun for every game from there out. I feel bad for the guy, since he is a friend of mine. He got verbally berated over and over again for making the correct call.

[LMan]

ok, ok. I was just musing, didnt say it made any sense





RE: your friend, sorry but not surprised to hear. Comes with the territory.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by baldgriff

He got verbally berated over and over again for making the correct call.

Why did he put up with this?

[baldgriff]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Why did he put up with this?

What option does he have? There are people watching his games not players in the game at hand per se. He seemed to have a call in 3/4 of his games that were big ones at crucial times in the game. I think he handled himself pretty well, but you could see it wearing on him.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by baldgriff

What option does he have?

OK, I am hearing you describe a constant barrage of abusive comments directed at the umpire. If it was not that, then disregard...

If they were fans of one of the teams in the game, have a discussion with the coach. Ask for his help in controlling his fans.

Suspend the game until either the TD handles it or the coach does.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by LMan

I'm curious as to the possibility of an abandonment call here, as the losing team wanted to see. If R2 or R3 called out for abandonment before R3 touches the plate, and then b/r thrown at first, no run scores?

Speaking ASA

There is nothing in the book ruling a BR/R out for abandoning a base, effort or whatever. The BR/R would be called out for entering DBT.