R1 stays at first ... two scenarios

[bobbrix]

Hi Folks,

Here's a couple fun ones.


a) Runner at 1st. Ground ball, batter-runner runs to first but R1 still standing on first base.

F3 gets throw and tags base and then tags R1, who still stands on 1st base.

I have batter-runner out and F1 safe on first because the force was removed when F3 touched first base.

I think they could tag R1 all they want but she's ok if still standing on the base ... kind of like a fly ball and they're waiting to see if it's caught or not. Agreed???


b) Similar set up as above, but, this time the batter-runner actually runs through first base. So, we have the original girl still standing on first base and the batter-runner has become a runner. She's still the second person there, and I think she would be out if tagged by F3, whether both offensive players are now standing on first base or not.

Almost like R1 ignored the 'force' and sacrificed the batter-runner (maybe on purpose if R1 is a speedster and batter-runner very slow). Agreed?


Hopefully, the wordings above make sense.


Thanks in advance for comments/debate/etc.