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last nite in an 8 year old game the coach started to ***** about a call that i make , and two game earilier i made the same call but for his team..... and then the parans started to ***** just like him,,,,,, (im from arkansas and i have been drinking when i posted this mess. so please allow for the spelling),,,, what i want to know is are all the parants the same in 8 year old game or done arkansas just have stupid *** fans, have the coachs and parants just lost the focuse on the game and that it is for the kids and not them ......... please let me know if other fan are like this ............ thanks and once again sorry for the spelling
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BTW, going to be in Hot Springs in a couple of weeks. Any weeknight softball around town?
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Actually, I think it gets better from 12-U and up. In 10-U and down, everyone is full of old rumors and sandlot ball rules. Their brother's neighbor's 3rd cousin's boyfriend's dad told them 8 years ago about that rule, and by George, they know it's in the book that way.
The parents don't really get a grasp on ALL the rules, but they don't get quite as bad as the little kid's parents. At least in my experience, for the most part. Of course you're always gonna find the idiots who want to dictate the game and it's rules and refuse to listen. Like Mike says, it's in every age group. It really kinda hurts my feelin's when they don't want to let me decide how the rules should be enforced, doncha know? 
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parents might get better at 16 u but coaches sures the hell do not. In fact i was bumped today by a 16u coach who didnt like an obstruction call. Which leads me to my next ? I have reported it to the controlling board for their action, but i was wondering does a bump constitute assult or battery. I live in IL and I am 16 still yound enough to be considered a minor. I have asked a bunch of officials in my local association, but have gotten a split answer. As of now i am leaving it up to the controling board. IL ASA to take care of the situation, but if they do nothing should i pursue further action. I dont know if it matters, but it was not accidental he went nose to nose screeming at me and hitting me with his spit. Just want some input of what you would do.
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Yep, you've got to let people like that leave the field. Also, in Texas, anything from a bump to a full swing, it's a Class B misdemeanor with a hefty fine. Turn him in and let him see how he likes that. There's no place for people like that on a ball field. If you can't act like a decent human being, just shut up.
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Many states have enacted an "assault of a sports official" law in recent years, which is good, but it's also bad that there is that little respect for officials in today's world.
May be something that the board/council will automatically look into, but it never hurts to ask. Just a blatant case of a coach trying to intimidate, IMO. And let me be a third... PLEASE tell me you ejected him.
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In fact i was bumped today by a 16u coach who didnt like an obstruction call. Which leads me to my next ? I have reported it to the controlling board for their action, but i was wondering does a bump constitute assult or battery. I live in IL and I am 16 still yound enough to be considered a minor.
Dylan, you are considered a minor in all 50 states, and several other countries! This physical contact by an adult(?) was more than inappropriate, it was illegal. It would also be illegal if you were an adult. Law enforcement should be called. If your board, scheduler, or UIC doesn't make the call then you or your parents should report this AND file charges. THIS TYPE OF ACTION CAN NEVER BE TOLERATED Too many good sports officials are threatend, and injured by hot-tempered idiots who have no business being at a sporting event, or even in the general public. If this coach is allowed to remain a coach, what will he do next? what will others do next?
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THIS IS AN ABSOLUTELY NO TOLERANCE SITUATION ! ! ! CALL THE POLICE IMMEDIATLEY AND NOT LATER ! Stop waiting for the board to do something and file charges now before it gets "stale". What also worries me is "I have asked a bunch of officials in my local association, but have gotten a split answer". Does that mean some of the others don't know this is assault and battery? Do they think that laws don't apply on the field like they would on the street? Does that mean some of them would tolerate this behavior?
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belive me yes i did eject him as soon as i felt him touch me. The reason I got split answers is that some felt a bump was not sufficient contact to press criminal charges. Others on the other hand felt it was. I feel it is and i will be pushing felony charges under ILs new officials assult law enacted this year. Thanks for your assistance guys.
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Found this on the Illinois law at http://www.naso.org/PressReleases/st130.htm:
"The Illinois Senate and House approved two bills this afternoon that protect sports officials at all levels of competition from threats and assaults. Both House Bills 4023 and 4120 passed unanimously in the Illinois Senate. Only one no vote prevented both measures from passing unanimous in the House as well. HB 4023 increases the severity of assaults against sports officials to Aggravated Assault, a felony offense. Persons convicted of aggravated Assault could face as much as three years in the state penitentiary. HB 4120 establishes a mandatory minimum fine of $1000 for battery of a sports official -- $2000 for a second or subsequent offense." Word should get around pretty quick after the first coach or fan is forced to face this in court.
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