fpsr

[bbman]

Play:
Bases loaded, no outs. Ground ball double play ball, but runner from first makes an illegal slide into second. Who's out for the interference?
Batter/runner or runner closest to home?

[josephrt1]

Originally Posted by bbman

Play:
Bases loaded, no outs. Ground ball double play ball, but runner from first makes an illegal slide into second. Who's out for the interference?
Batter/runner or runner closest to home?

depends. Was the runner from 1st already out at the time she interfered (made an illegal slide)?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by bbman

Play:
Bases loaded, no outs. Ground ball double play ball, but runner from first makes an illegal slide into second. Who's out for the interference?
Batter/runner or runner closest to home?

runner from first not out - runner from first
intentional double play breakup - BR out
retired runner - no intentional double play breakup, closest to home

[bbman]

Sorry, I'm still confused.
The runner that slid illegally into second was out. (it was a force out).
Does it matter about the b/r at first?
Doesn't the illegal slide kill any further play?
Isn't the illegal slider a 'retired runner?

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

runner from first not out - runner from first
intentional double play breakup - BR out
retired runner - no intentional double play breakup, closest to home

No quite correct.

The "intentional double play breakup" is when the RUNNER hasn't been put out yet. For example, R1 on 2nd, R2 on 1st. BR hits a ball to F4, who is trying to tag R2 and then flip to F3 for the DP. R2 interferes with F4, such as knocking it out of her hand/glove while being tagged. That would be the limited way to get the BR out.

Once the runner is retired, it is always runner closest to home.

I have never called the "intentional interference on a double play", and I've umpire a variety of JO, adult slow and adult fast.

[bbman]

I should have added fast pitch hs fed

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by bbman

I should have added fast pitch hs fed

It is the same in all codes of softball.

BTW, no code of softball has a FPSR; that's baseball talk.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

No quite correct.

The "intentional double play breakup" is when the RUNNER hasn't been put out yet. For example, R1 on 2nd, R2 on 1st. BR hits a ball to F4, who is trying to tag R2 and then flip to F3 for the DP. R2 interferes with F4, such as knocking it out of her hand/glove while being tagged. That would be the limited way to get the BR out.

Once the runner is retired, it is always runner closest to home.

I have never called the "intentional interference on a double play", and I've umpire a variety of JO, adult slow and adult fast.

I didn't say retired runner about double play; and you reminded me that I never called it either. Maybe I should have left it out.
Do you think it could happen on a slide, legal or other wise?

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

I didn't say retired runner about double play; and you reminded me that I never called it either. Maybe I should have left it out.
Do you think it could happen on a slide, legal or other wise?

Probably not, as the sliding player is most likely out on a force, thus a retired runner.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

Probably not, as the sliding player is most likely out on a force, thus a retired runner.

Thanks.

[teebob21]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

I have never called the "intentional interference on a double play", and I've umpire a variety of JO, adult slow and adult fast.

Called this once in 21 years, but it was a retired runner. 16A national, sharp hit to F6, flips to F4 who turns the DP slowly. Retired runner R1 slides late with her cleats hard into the shins of F4 and takes her down. I am U3; I call both outs.

UIC and leadership told me after the game it was a call I should have passed on. I still respectfully disagree. (Irish, this is the tournament on the East Coast where you and I met in person for the first time.)

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by teebob21

Called this once in 21 years, but it was a retired runner. 16A national, sharp hit to F6, flips to F4 who turns the DP slowly. Retired runner R1 slides late with her cleats hard into the shins of F4 and takes her down. I am U3; I call both outs.

UIC and leadership told me after the game it was a call I should have passed on. I still respectfully disagree. (Irish, this is the tournament on the East Coast where you and I met in person for the first time.)

You called INT because you considered the slide late, but would also endorse an INT call if the runner didn't slide and was hit by the throw?

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by teebob21

Called this once in 21 years, but it was a retired runner. 16A national, sharp hit to F6, flips to F4 who turns the DP slowly. Retired runner R1 slides late with her cleats hard into the shins of F4 and takes her down. I am U3; I call both outs.

UIC and leadership told me after the game it was a call I should have passed on. I still respectfully disagree. (Irish, this is the tournament on the East Coast where you and I met in person for the first time.)

Not the same call. You call interference on a RETIRED runner which would have the effect of the runner closest to home as an out.

The call I referred to is when a RUNNER interferes with a double play opportunity and the trailing runner is called out.

The former is common; the latter I've never called.

[Tru_in_Blu]

Originally Posted by teebob21

Called this once in 21 years, but it was a retired runner. 16A national, sharp hit to F6, flips to F4 who turns the DP slowly. Retired runner R1 slides late with her cleats hard into the shins of F4 and takes her down. I am U3; I call both outs.

UIC and leadership told me after the game it was a call I should have passed on. I still respectfully disagree. (Irish, this is the tournament on the East Coast where you and I met in person for the first time.)

At a NUS in Lewiston, Maine in 2014, we had a drill on calling the DP as the BU with a runner on first only.

As my turn was coming up, I overhead a technician tell the runner at first base to intentionally interfere with the fielder covering second base. So I thought I had a head's up on what was coming.

As the drill unfolded, there was a force out at second, and sure enough, the runner ran into the fielder. The throw to first was affected. Smart me called the out at second and then the BR out due to the INT by the retired runner.

Mr. JC said that was not the right call. After the call at second base, my focus should have been on the throw to first base. The PU would be responsible for making the INT call at second base.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by teebob21

Called this once in 21 years, but it was a retired runner. 16A national, sharp hit to F6, flips to F4 who turns the DP slowly. Retired runner R1 slides late with her cleats hard into the shins of F4 and takes her down. I am U3; I call both outs.

UIC and leadership told me after the game it was a call I should have passed on.

Who would make that call then?

Since you said you were U3, I assume three-man with you being rotated, and U1 having responsibility for the play at first base. If that's the case, then I can't imagine who your "UIC and leadership" would say has the call at second base.