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Old Tue Jun 26, 2018, 12:22pm
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Offense Only terminology

I think we had a consensus on this, but can't search for 2 letters as a key.

When the DP is playing the field, some other batter is then not in the field, just batting. That other batter should be noted on the lineup for reference.

NCAA uses OP for that (Offense Player, although all the batters are).

USA, NFHS, etc. have nothing defined; so do we
- use OP , Offense Player, as NCAA for consistency
- use OO for the more specific Offense Only

I need something for teaching purposes, USA, NFHS.
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Old Tue Jun 26, 2018, 01:46pm
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There is no true terminology in USA and NFHS for Offensive Player who is sitting on the bench.
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Old Tue Jun 26, 2018, 03:31pm
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There is no true terminology in USA and NFHS for Offensive Player who is sitting on the bench.
Exactly, looking for a consensus on what we have said before, or now think, and therefore what to push for and teach.

Searching for OO or OP is rejected by the search as too short.
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In the handful of occasions that this has happened to me while the PU, I simply note on my lineup card that #X is playing "bench". And, that DP is playing F-something.

To me, this indicates that the DP is playing defense for this player.

When it gets tricky is when the coach wants that "bench" player to go in for the flex. Now the DP is playing defense for the flex and the batting order has gone from 10 to 9.

Had a debate with a coach in a tournament game along these lines. Coach claimed that the DP could play defense for anyone. I agreed. But when he went to pull that tricky deal in the next inning, I told him his flex was now out of the game and would require a re-entry to return.
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Old Tue Jun 26, 2018, 04:53pm
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When it gets tricky is when the coach wants that "bench" player to go in for the flex. Now the DP is playing defense for the flex and the batting order has gone from 10 to 9.
Hopefully, no umpires take that literally.
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Hopefully, no umpires take that literally.
What is happening here is that the "bench" player is back on defense, but the FLEX is on the bench, so the DP is technically playing defense for the FLEX and the FLEX has left the game.
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Old Wed Jun 27, 2018, 11:03am
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What is happening here is that the "bench" player is back on defense, but the FLEX is on the bench, so the DP is technically playing defense for the FLEX and the FLEX has left the game.
Exactly what I hoped everyone would see.
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There is no true terminology in USA and NFHS for Offensive Player who is sitting on the bench.
How about a consensus on the forum?
Is the NCAA "OP" the best answer?

Unfortunately "bench" can also mean someone out of the game.
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Old Wed Jun 27, 2018, 03:38pm
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I only use the OP in NCAA play due to the rule that all defensive changes have to be reported and I want to keep my lineup card current.

For all other play, it is not required to report defensive changes (exception of the DP playing defense for the FLEX), so I don't see the need to have a standard notation.
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Old Wed Jun 27, 2018, 04:09pm
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I only use the OP in NCAA play due to the rule that all defensive changes have to be reported and I want to keep my lineup card current.

For all other play, it is not required to report defensive changes (exception of the DP playing defense for the FLEX), so I don't see the need to have a standard notation.
After a recent experience (Help Needed topic), and knowing some are not as sharp, I want them to recognize that player does not become the DP, and others to know the status in case of the dreaded postponed take over by another ump.

Also, in my teaching mode, emphasizing completing recording; sometimes an issue.
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Old Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:22pm
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Go with Andy on this one. Your standard system should work in USA without having to note. I use line circle line method and an F to denote when Flex is in for DP. -Ron
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After a recent experience (Help Needed topic), and knowing some are not as sharp, I want them to recognize that player does not become the DP, and others to know the status in case of the dreaded postponed take over by another ump.

Also, in my teaching mode, emphasizing completing recording; sometimes an issue.
I think you may confuse them more than help them. I agree with Andy on this one.
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