USA change 4 - appeals

[CecilOne]

Rule 8, Section 7F-I Effect, [3] (Dead Ball Appeal): Once the ball has been returned to the infield and time is called, any COACH or infielder, with or without possession of the ball, may make a verbal appeal on a runner missing a base or leaving too soon on a caught fly ball. No runner may leave a base during this period as the ball remains dead until the next pitch.

Comment: Adds a coach to those who can make a dead ball appeal.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Rule 8, Section 7F-I Effect, [3] (Dead Ball Appeal): Once the ball has been returned to the infield and time is called, any COACH or infielder, with or without possession of the ball, may make a verbal appeal on a runner missing a base or leaving too soon on a caught fly ball. No runner may leave a base during this period as the ball remains dead until the next pitch.

Comment: Adds a coach to those who can make a dead ball appeal.

Makes sense for JO. Having the coach have to use a player as a conduit just wastes time.

[Stat-Man]

The chang, as written, suggests that a coach can be in possession of the ball while making an appeal.

On a more serious note, I agree with Dakota. Why not let the coach make the appeal directly as opposed to "Hey, Sam, tell the umpire the runner missed third base." "What?" "I said..." etc.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by Stat-Man

The chang, as written, suggests that a coach can be in possession of the ball while making an appeal.

He can.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Stat-Man

The chang, as written, suggests that a coach can be in possession of the ball while making an appeal.

On a more serious note, I agree with Dakota. Why not let the coach make the appeal directly as opposed to "Hey, Sam, tell the umpire the runner missed third base." "What?" "I said..." etc.

Or you train the kids to know the game and how to handle all aspects of it. When I first started umpiring, it was baseball 8-13 yo and they had no problem making appeals without direction of a coach.

[umpjim]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Or you train the kids to know the game and how to handle all aspects of it. When I first started umpiring, it was baseball 8-13 yo and they had no problem making appeals without direction of a coach.

I would agree with you that players and umpires should know the game. But they don't. Cliff Lee was balked in MLB for appealing while in contact. He then acknowledged that he screwed up, except he didn't. Appealing can be a goat rope for players, coaches, and umpires. You and me have the reading comprehension to get it right by the old rules. But reading and comprehending is not everyone's strong point in current generations or even your or my generation in some cases. So it has to be dumbed down. Saving grace, the offender did miss or leave the base early. I don't like it but that's how it is.

[Tru_in_Blu]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Or you train the kids to know the game and how to handle all aspects of it. When I first started umpiring, it was baseball 8-13 yo and they had no problem making appeals without direction of a coach.

As mentioned in another post just recently, we can't even get adult umpires on the same page as to what t-shirts to wear.

You can lead the horse to water...

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Or you train the kids to know the game and how to handle all aspects of it. When I first started umpiring, it was baseball 8-13 yo and they had no problem making appeals without direction of a coach.

While knowing how to make an appeal is a part of the issue, the more common issue for dead ball appeals, in my experience, is the players not noticing that there was a missed base, etc.

If the coach sees it, it is just more efficient if he just makes the appeal directly rather than yelling to his players, potentially back and forth a couple of times.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dakota

While knowing how to make an appeal is a part of the issue, the more common issue for dead ball appeals, in my experience, is the players not noticing that there was a missed base, etc.

If the coach sees it, it is just more efficient if he just makes the appeal directly rather than yelling to his players, potentially back and forth a couple of times.

Again, it is all about teaching them the game and how to play it.