USA change 4 - appeals

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dakota

While knowing how to make an appeal is a part of the issue, the more common issue for dead ball appeals, in my experience, is the players not noticing that there was a missed base, etc.

If the coach sees it, it is just more efficient if he just makes the appeal directly rather than yelling to his players, potentially back and forth a couple of times.

Again, it is all about teaching them the game and how to play it.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Again, it is all about teaching them the game and how to play it.

And, again, I'm talking about the reality of the game as it is, not as it could be with better coaches and better players.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dakota

And, again, I'm talking about the reality of the game as it is, not as it could be with better coaches and better players.

Doesn't mean they cannot try. After all, isn't that their job? Doesn't that what the term "coach" means

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Doesn't mean they cannot try. After all, isn't that their job? Doesn't that what the term "coach" means

I agree with you in principle... I'm just being selfish... keep things moving.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Dakota

I agree with you in principle... .

Something to be thankful for this week.

[Manny A]

Here’s an even more radical thought: how about just doing away with appeals altogether, and have Umpires make the calls when they see the violations? I’m not sure where this process came from in baseball and softball, but I believe they are the only two team sports where officials see violations, but can’t do a damn thing about them until the defense appeals? Why? And why only baserunning gaffes? Why don’t we allow for appeals by the offense when a fielder fails to tag a base or catch a sinking line drive?

There are no appeals in football when a player is guilty of being offsides or moving before the snap. There are no appeals in basketball when a player travels or steps on the line while touching the ball. A hockey or soccer player who is offsides gets penalized immediately, and not when a coach requests an appeal. If a runner can’t run the bases properly, why give him/her the free pass if the defense doesn’t catch it? Let us make the call right away. It would certainly speed up the game.

[Umpire@1]

I agree, not only would it speed up the game, but would stop a lot of arguments about if a runner left early, missed the base etc.

[Colo Blue]

Some years ago, while I was umpiring, just not high school yet, I went to watch a high school game that a friend of mine was umpiring. In the late innings, a batter hit an extra base hit to score a go ahead run. After the play was over, his partner called time, called the batter (now on third) out for missing first base, and negated the run. It was the third out. Well all hell broke loose. The coaches and the fans accused him of being a homer and cheating them. The coaches had to be ejected. Some fans had to be asked to leave. It wasn't pretty. I think the only ones that really knew the batter had missed first were the base umpire, the batter and me. No argument from the batter. Anyway, I was confused because I didn't understand why be called the batter out. There was no appeal. I asked after the game, and I was told that under high school rules, the umpire didn't not wait for an appeal, but called the runner out immediate after the play was over. Somewhere over time, that changed. I don't know which way is best. Sometimes I wish we could just call the runner out without an appeal. Players don't watch their bases, and sometimes we really need that out.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Manny A

Here’s an even more radical thought: how about just doing away with appeals altogether, and have Umpires make the calls when they see the violations? I’m not sure where this process came from in baseball and softball, but I believe they are the only two team sports where officials see violations, but can’t do a damn thing about them until the defense appeals? Why? And why only baserunning gaffes? Why don’t we allow for appeals by the offense when a fielder fails to tag a base or catch a sinking line drive?

There are no appeals in football when a player is guilty of being offsides or moving before the snap. There are no appeals in basketball when a player travels or steps on the line while touching the ball. A hockey or soccer player who is offsides gets penalized immediately, and not when a coach requests an appeal. If a runner can’t run the bases properly, why give him/her the free pass if the defense doesn’t catch it? Let us make the call right away. It would certainly speed up the game.

Been there, done that. IMO, it helps create lazy/cowardly umpires, or some seriously head-strong ego-maniacs that concentrate more on "catching" players than actually umpiring the game.