verbalize a fly ball out?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by teebob21

My (confusing) philosophy, based on what I have been taught at all levels:

1): Every call is the same: Verbalize and signal, except on pitches called balls (no signal).

2): Every call is different: Some need selling. Others do not. Some, like infield line drives, need no selling but deserve a strong vocal call because the speed of the game is dependent on your call.

Your BS detector is in fine working condition, as far as I can tell.

Agree with the bolded.

Where the play is does not matter, it is the "closeness" and the situation.
Even some base runner calls do not need a verbal.

As to infield line drives, the tough ones get a long & loud verbal to reward the fielder and show the batter they were robbed.

However, I don't get the speed of the game factor.

[bigdogtx]

If I am trying to watch runners on 1 and 2, I appreciate a loud call for the tag up purposes

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by bigdogtx

If I am trying to watch runners on 1 and 2, I appreciate a loud call for the tag up purposes

That verbal should not be your indicator of a runner leaving the base properly or not, especially since an out being record has no bearing on when a runner may leave the base to advance on a caught fly ball.

[teebob21]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

That verbal should not be your indicator of a runner leaving the base properly or not, especially since an out being record has no bearing on when a runner may leave the base to advance on a caught fly ball.

Originally Posted by CecilOne

However, I don't get the speed of the game factor.

I give a strong vocal out for a caught infield line drive in order to be a better partner for my crew. It's not supposed to be an indicator of the timing of the catch. If the play is going away from his starting position, or he's straight-lined on the catch (which is fine because he doesn't have the catch/no-catch call here), or there may be concern about a trap, a loud vocal call allows him to know with certainty what the game situation is, even with non-optimal positioning. From there, he can move or read the throw to make a proper call on a snap-throw for the live-ball appeal. Without the vocal, that snap throw can be too quick for him to read the play, watch me signal, and then correctly rule on the secondary play.

[Tru_in_Blu]

Originally Posted by teebob21

I give a strong vocal out for a caught infield line drive in order to be a better partner for my crew. It's not supposed to be an indicator of the timing of the catch. If the play is going away from his starting position, or he's straight-lined on the catch (which is fine because he doesn't have the catch/no-catch call here), or there may be concern about a trap, a loud vocal call allows him to know with certainty what the game situation is, even with non-optimal positioning. From there, he can move or read the throw to make a proper call on a snap-throw for the live-ball appeal. Without the vocal, that snap throw can be too quick for him to read the play, watch me signal, and then correctly rule on the secondary play.

For the same reasons, I will give a loud verbal "NO!" on a trapped ball followed by a safe signal. That might not be exactly by the book either, but I think runners and partners need to know as soon as possible.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

For the same reasons, I will give a loud verbal "NO!" on a trapped ball followed by a safe signal. That might not be exactly by the book either, but I think runners and partners need to know as soon as possible.

Over the years I have found that just as many hear "out" as hear "no"

[Tru_in_Blu]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Over the years I have found that just as many hear "out" as hear "no"

So you also give a verbal "NO!"? I guess I've been more fortunate in that regard. I don't really recall ever having a problem with that.