Out without appeal

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Speaking USA, yes. 8.7.E.

8-7-E specifically addresses assistance while the ball is live.

The Exception to 8-7-E is a little unclear because it addresses when a runner who has just scored but misses home is assisted back to home; what's not clear about it is if the miss happened during a live ball or a dead one. The Effect says the ball is dead, the runner is out and the run is nullified. But that could very well mean that at the time the assist took place, the ball was live, but the umpire should kill play once the assistance happens.

So, is there a USA clarification that says 8-7-E also applies when the ball is dead, such as on a home run?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Manny A

8-7-E specifically addresses assistance while the ball is live.

The Exception to 8-7-E is a little unclear because it addresses when a runner who has just scored but misses home is assisted back to home; what's not clear about it is if the miss happened during a live ball or a dead one. The Effect says the ball is dead, the runner is out and the run is nullified. But that could very well mean that at the time the assist took place, the ball was live, but the umpire should kill play once the assistance happens.

So, is there a USA clarification that says 8-7-E also applies when the ball is dead, such as on a home run?

I think that has been asked before, with no clear answer, so I guess we have to leave it to those who have case books.

[jmkupka]

The play itself amazes me in that...

F2 was locked on, watching the runner as she crossed (missed) the plate. It seems an instinctive reaction would've been "she missed it!", even under her breath. PU next to her, "OUT!"

A crowd of admirers greet her at the plate, watch her cross (miss) it. Amazed there wasn't a mass pushing of the runner back to the dish. Again, OUT!

I'm sure I would have been locked on the actions of the runner (unfortunately, probably to the point of obviousness), waiting for an appeal. He completely turned away from the action.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Manny A

8-7-E specifically addresses assistance while the ball is live.

The Exception to 8-7-E is a little unclear because it addresses when a runner who has just scored but misses home is assisted back to home; what's not clear about it is if the miss happened during a live ball or a dead one. The Effect says the ball is dead, the runner is out and the run is nullified. But that could very well mean that at the time the assist took place, the ball was live, but the umpire should kill play once the assistance happens.

So, is there a USA clarification that says 8-7-E also applies when the ball is dead, such as on a home run?

Pretty sure there was a clarification by KR which noted that the ball itself may have entered DBT, but there is still live running assignments to which the rules are applicable.

It should also be noted that this is not an appeal play which was the initial play where the OP started.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Pretty sure there was a clarification by KR which noted that the ball itself may have entered DBT, but there is still live running assignments to which the rules are applicable.

Great!

See ---- " those who have case books"

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

It should also be noted that this is not an appeal play which was the initial play where the OP started.

Just for new reader clarity, the coach assist is not an appeal, but the missed plate without the assist would be.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Pretty sure there was a clarification by KR which noted that the ball itself may have entered DBT, but there is still live running assignments to which the rules are applicable.

It should also be noted that this is not an appeal play which was the initial play where the OP started.

Yeah, I do now believe that USA put out a clarification on this specific NCAA play that included an out call for assisting the runner to return home. I trust that there will be something in the rule book about this next year.

[jmkupka]

Correct Irish... sorry for causing my own tangent