Umpire: "No More." Coach: "OK.....chirp chirp" - Toss or ignore?

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by Andy

First of all...I know exactly what I'm going to call you next time we work together......

My tactic has always been...."Coach. you've had your say, that's enough"
That seems to reinforce that I have heard him, but I don't want to hear any more.

Something like the "OK, OK" I would let go, but the parting shot on the call loud enough for others to hear has to be addressed...dump him....

I'm pretty close to this ^^^

Once I've said "enough", the most they get after that is a stop sign, if appropriate and minimal. Continuing past there means one or more of:

a) Coach wants to get ejected,
b) Coach expects to get ejected,
c) Coach disrespects you,
d) Coach believes you won't pull the trigger, and/or
e) Coach is unable to stop, and doesn't belong there anymore.

As opposed to the baseball reference above, I don't see this as a situation which requires an "official warning"; I think that is an overused crutch. When challenging judgment or balls and strikes, the manual and rules have you use an official warning; unsporting acts, disrespect, and general behavior issues that cross well over the line shouldn't fall into the "official warning".

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

When challenging judgment or balls and strikes, the manual and rules have you use an official warning; unsporting acts, disrespect, and general behavior issues that cross well over the line shouldn't fall into the "official warning".

Other then where the rule book notes that a warning shall be issued, just what is an "official warning"? If there IS an official warning, is there an unofficial warning available? Is it like the difference between probation and double-secret probation?

[Tru_in_Blu]

I work NFHS softball, but not baseball. I logged in one day to take the on line test for softball but it wasn't available yet. The baseball test was available, so on a lark, I decided to take it.

There were several questions relating to "written warnings". I'd never heard of those, but there were about 4-6 questions about them so I figured maybe they were a real thing. I asked one of our softball guys who also does baseball, and sure enough "written warnings" are real. Apparently the umpire must note them on the back of the line up card. I don't know the impact or penalties associated if a coach gets a written warning.

BTW, I flunked the baseball test. Don't know enough about written warnings and pitcher's positioning.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

I work NFHS softball, but not baseball. I logged in one day to take the on line test for softball but it wasn't available yet. The baseball test was available, so on a lark, I decided to take it.

There were several questions relating to "written warnings". I'd never heard of those, but there were about 4-6 questions about them so I figured maybe they were a real thing. I asked one of our softball guys who also does baseball, and sure enough "written warnings" are real. Apparently the umpire must note them on the back of the line up card. I don't know the impact or penalties associated if a coach gets a written warning.

BTW, I flunked the baseball test. Don't know enough about written warnings and pitcher's positioning.

The "written warning" in NFHS Baseball, which was adopted last year, is a three step process. Step #1: When a head coach's conduct deteriorates to the point that a warning must be issued, that is the point at which the umpire makes a written note on the lineup card. Step #2: Any further minor misconduct results in the head coach being restricted to the bench for the remainder of the game. Step #3: Any further misconduct after being restricted to the bench by the head coach result's in his ejection. This does not preclude an umpire from ejecting the head coach before Step #1 if his conduct warrants an immediate ejection.

Coaches thought the written warning was like a traffic ticket and that they were to receive a copy of the warning. They also thought that all ejections had to follow the three step process. I know this from personal experience. I ejected a head coach for vehemently arguing against a foul ball call I had made and he went straight to ejection mode; he argued that I had not given him a written warning, LOL!

MTD, Sr.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I know this from personal experience. I ejected a head coach for vehemently arguing against a foul ball call I had made and he went straight to ejection mode; he argued that I had not given him a written warning, LOL!

MTD, Sr.

Gotta love it when the only arguments against an ejection are, "you didn't give him/her a warning" and "S/he didn't use any curse words".

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Other then where the rule book notes that a warning shall be issued, just what is an "official warning"? If there IS an official warning, is there an unofficial warning available? Is it like the difference between probation and double-secret probation?

Pretty sure the question is facetious, but for those wondering about this, some rules sets prescribe warnings that are to be recorded. NFHS has a slew of warnings with restrictions for a second offense; many umpires might just tell a player to remove a wristband or a forgotten earring without a recorded warning; to me, I consider that an unofficial warning, and if she comes back with something else she shouldn't have or didn't remove it, I make it an official warning.

NCAA directs a warning to be recorded when a coach challenges balls and strikes or a strictly judgment ruling with a resultant delay in the game by being argumentative. A repeat offense results in ejection and a required game report to the NCAA Rules Secretary. I would consider a difference between "Coach, that's enough" and "Coach, that's your warning" with a recording of same to be an unofficial warning for the former case and allowing a bit of latitude going forward, and an official warning with minimal latitude remaining for the latter.