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Old Sat Aug 27, 2016, 07:00pm
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Pitched ball bounces over backstop.

NFHS game today that I biffed a call on. Ball 4 came in and bounced over the backstop. I called dead ball and awarded batter second base. I knew it was a one base award from time it went out, but I ruled that since it was a walk she should get second. WRONG. Never had this happen before. I missed this one.
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Old Sat Aug 27, 2016, 07:54pm
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"I knew it was a one base award from time it went out, but I ruled that since it was a walk she should get second. WRONG. "
I actually have a question about this.I always assumed it was 1 base from time it left pitcher's hand. I looked it up in the ASA book (8.5.C) and it doesn't state from what point you award the 1 base. Is it from the time the ball left the pitcher's hand or from the time the ball entered dead ball territory or became blocked?
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Old Sat Aug 27, 2016, 08:15pm
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Bounced over the backstop? Wow!! I've had several nearly go over on the flight of pitch but not even close on a bounce.
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Never ever saw this before and I have been umpiring over 35 years. Don't know what caused it to bounce so high. NFHS rule says "The batter is awarded first base only on the fourth ball." I believe the reason I got it wrong is because of the rarity of it plus awarding only to first isn't penalizing the defense.
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NCAA says "time of pitch"
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Old Sun Aug 28, 2016, 11:13am
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NCAA says "time of pitch"
ASA & NFHS is one base. If ball 4, BR awarded only 1B
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Old Sun Aug 28, 2016, 11:32am
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ASA says one base, but it does not state from what time point. For a thrown ball it clearly states 2 bases from runner's position at time ball left fielders hand and for loss of possession it says 1 base from time ball went out of play. But for pitched ball I don't see a starting point defined. Just an observation. I have always gone with 1 base from position at start of the pitch.

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Old Sun Aug 28, 2016, 12:08pm
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NCAA says if on dropped 3rd strike, if batter is legally advancing, they also get first only.
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Old Sun Aug 28, 2016, 02:57pm
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asa says one base, but it does not state from what time point. For a thrown ball it clearly states 2 bases from runner's position at time ball left fielders hand and for loss of possession it says 1 base from time ball went out of play. But for pitched ball i don't see a starting point defined. Just an observation. I have always gone with 1 base from position at start of the pitch.
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Old Sun Aug 28, 2016, 08:12pm
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Thanks for the help. I missed that.
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Old Mon Aug 29, 2016, 07:46am
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Thanks for the help. I missed that.
the good thing is you'll never miss that one again!
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Old Mon Aug 29, 2016, 08:33pm
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ASA says one base, but it does not state from what time point. For a thrown ball it clearly states 2 bases from runner's position at time ball left fielders hand and for loss of possession it says 1 base from time ball went out of play. But for pitched ball I don't see a starting point defined. Just an observation. I have always gone with 1 base from position at start of the pitch.
All runners would be on base at time of start of pitch. So it would be a known fact. So why would they have to state that in the rule book?
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Old Mon Aug 29, 2016, 10:28pm
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First of all, in the original situation the batter was at bat, not on base. What was being questioned was the statement about where the award originated for other runners; from the time of the pitch or from the time the ball went out of play. IRISHMAFIA pointed out that the answer was in the rule supplement #38. For a thrown ball or a loss of possession that go out of play, the details were included in the rule itself, but for a blocked ball on a pitch, the originating point for the award was defined back in the supplement and i missed it.

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