Pitched ball bounces over backstop.

[shipwreck]

NFHS game today that I biffed a call on. Ball 4 came in and bounced over the backstop. I called dead ball and awarded batter second base. I knew it was a one base award from time it went out, but I ruled that since it was a walk she should get second. WRONG. Never had this happen before. I missed this one.

[josephrt1]

Originally Posted by shipwreck

"I knew it was a one base award from time it went out, but I ruled that since it was a walk she should get second. WRONG. "

I actually have a question about this.I always assumed it was 1 base from time it left pitcher's hand. I looked it up in the ASA book (8.5.C) and it doesn't state from what point you award the 1 base. Is it from the time the ball left the pitcher's hand or from the time the ball entered dead ball territory or became blocked?

[BlueDevilRef]

Bounced over the backstop? Wow!! I've had several nearly go over on the flight of pitch but not even close on a bounce.

[shipwreck]

Never ever saw this before and I have been umpiring over 35 years. Don't know what caused it to bounce so high. NFHS rule says "The batter is awarded first base only on the fourth ball." I believe the reason I got it wrong is because of the rarity of it plus awarding only to first isn't penalizing the defense.

[shipwreck]

NCAA says "time of pitch"

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by shipwreck

NCAA says "time of pitch"

ASA & NFHS is one base. If ball 4, BR awarded only 1B

[josephrt1]

ASA says one base, but it does not state from what time point. For a thrown ball it clearly states 2 bases from runner's position at time ball left fielders hand and for loss of possession it says 1 base from time ball went out of play. But for pitched ball I don't see a starting point defined. Just an observation. I have always gone with 1 base from position at start of the pitch.

[shipwreck]

NCAA says if on dropped 3rd strike, if batter is legally advancing, they also get first only.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by josephrt1

asa says one base, but it does not state from what time point. For a thrown ball it clearly states 2 bases from runner's position at time ball left fielders hand and for loss of possession it says 1 base from time ball went out of play. But for pitched ball i don't see a starting point defined. Just an observation. I have always gone with 1 base from position at start of the pitch.

rs #38.

[josephrt1]

Thanks for the help. I missed that.

[3afan]

Originally Posted by josephrt1

Thanks for the help. I missed that.

the good thing is you'll never miss that one again!

[Umpire@1]

Originally Posted by josephrt1

ASA says one base, but it does not state from what time point. For a thrown ball it clearly states 2 bases from runner's position at time ball left fielders hand and for loss of possession it says 1 base from time ball went out of play. But for pitched ball I don't see a starting point defined. Just an observation. I have always gone with 1 base from position at start of the pitch.

All runners would be on base at time of start of pitch. So it would be a known fact. So why would they have to state that in the rule book?

[josephrt1]

First of all, in the original situation the batter was at bat, not on base. What was being questioned was the statement about where the award originated for other runners; from the time of the pitch or from the time the ball went out of play. IRISHMAFIA pointed out that the answer was in the rule supplement #38. For a thrown ball or a loss of possession that go out of play, the details were included in the rule itself, but for a blocked ball on a pitch, the originating point for the award was defined back in the supplement and i missed it.