Who's the pitcher?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

Work my first Rec (Wreck) League game of the season today (ok yesterday evening since it is 12:40 am).

They have instituted a 3 HBP limit for a pitcher. The pitcher has already hit two batters early on, one in the side, one in the thigh. Pitch comes in, bounces 5 feet in front of the plate, then again 2 feet in front. It kicks off a pebble in front of the plate rolls over and rolls into the foot of the batter, who is entirely within the batters box. It is clear that the ball "hit" her foot. The offensive coach comes out and says "She needs to be removed, that was 3 batters she hit." Sadly, he was right and the DC knew it. After the game the DC comes over and asks "Would you have told me she needed to leave the game if the coach hadn't said something?" My response was "It is the rule coach." All the time I was thinking, this is a stupid rule that leaves no judgment to the umpire. I sure as heck would not have removed the pitcher for this because it wasn't the intent of the rule, nor was a ball rolling against the batters foot a "safety" issue.

No, no, no.

This ball that bounced twice and rolled into the batter is NOT a HBP. Obviously the batter made no effort to get out of the way of it. If you gave that batter first base ... shame on you.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

No, no, no.

This ball that bounced twice and rolled into the batter is NOT a HBP. Obviously the batter made no effort to get out of the way of it. If you gave that batter first base ... shame on you.

Strictly speaking isn't it a HBP for which the penalty is a ball?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by youngump

Strictly speaking isn't it a HBP for which the penalty is a ball?

No.

Hit-By-Pitch is the scoring designation given to a player who is awarded first base due to being hit by a pitch. That term has no definition in the non-scoring section of the book, and the rule (8-1-F) that directs us to award first base when a batter is hit by a pitch (or the exception that directs us not to if the batter doesn't try to avoid) does not reference "HBP".

HBP has a very specific meaning - and it ONLY applies to a batter that is awarded 1st.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

No.

Hit-By-Pitch is the scoring designation given to a player who is awarded first base due to being hit by a pitch. That term has no definition in the non-scoring section of the book, and the rule (8-1-F) that directs us to award first base when a batter is hit by a pitch (or the exception that directs us not to if the batter doesn't try to avoid) does not reference "HBP".

HBP has a very specific meaning - and it ONLY applies to a batter that is awarded 1st.

Fair enough, but I'm skeptical that Chapmaja was using it that way.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

No, no, no.

This ball that bounced twice and rolled into the batter is NOT a HBP. Obviously the batter made no effort to get out of the way of it. If you gave that batter first base ... shame on you.

Doesn't that depend on rule set?

[blueump]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Doesn't that depend on rule set?

Yup!

Fed ball does nor require the batter to avoid being hit as long as the ball is completely within the batter's box.

[BlueDevilRef]

Originally Posted by blueump

Yup!



Fed ball does nor require the batter to avoid being hit as long as the ball is completely within the batter's box.

Usssa follows this as well. Most of time it's not an issue but it is maddening when the ball rolls and the batter does nothing to avoid getting hit

[MD Longhorn]

I'm confused...

You're doing high school ball that has added local league modifications? Honestly never heard of such a thing.

(If it's U-Trip, please post it as such ... that's surely not the default assumption on here).

And Chap --- I don't always read who the poster is... I read the post and comment on the post.

[CecilOne]

In the "Please confirm - misc" topic last week:

2) ASA rules require avoidance effort by batter if HBP. Others (NHFS, PONY, USSSA) do not if completely in batters box.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

No, no, no.

This ball that bounced twice and rolled into the batter is NOT a HBP. Obviously the batter made no effort to get out of the way of it. If you gave that batter first base ... shame on you.

Shame on me why?

Ball is pitched. The ball bounce in front of the plate and rolls into the foot of the batter. How is that not a hit by pitch for which the ruleset being used directs that the batter is awarded first base?

BTW: I really wish you would follow your own opinion and not comment on my posts like you have said you wouldn't do.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

Shame on me why?

Ball is pitched. The ball bounce in front of the plate and rolls into the foot of the batter. How is that not a hit by pitch for which the ruleset being used directs that the batter is awarded first base?

ASA if there was no attempt to avoid