Please confirm - misc

[teebob21]

Originally Posted by youngump

Unless the play takes the fielder into foul territory. And that's about any play where they touch the orange (why else would they do it?).

The term the book uses is an errant throw (ASA). In that case, both the defense and offense may use either portion of the double base. Should the offense use the "wrong" base on a quality throw, the defense may appeal, provided the runner has not yet returned to the base.

If the defense uses the "wrong" base, is it obstruction?

In the cases where both teams may use both sides, if there is a NON-malicious crash at the base due to the possible confusion of the players, do we rule OBS or nothing?

[youngump]

Originally Posted by teebob21

If the defense uses the "wrong" base, is it obstruction?

This is the easy one. Being on or off the base has nothing to do with obstruction. Having the ball does. If F3 has the ball she can set on either bag and not be guilty of obstruction and if she doesn't, then she's guilty of obstruction regardless of which base she is on (if she impedes the runner).

[CecilOne]

I'm actually a little surprised my other 3 items were clear enough and sufficiently literal (anal); as I am often too cryptic as I was on #4.

[teebob21]

Originally Posted by youngump

This is the easy one. Being on or off the base has nothing to do with obstruction. Having the ball does. If F3 has the ball she can set on either bag and not be guilty of obstruction and if she doesn't, then she's guilty of obstruction regardless of which base she is on (if she impedes the runner).

Ok, not to hijack another of Cecil's threads, but indulge me here. This also feeds into my Part Two from the post above.

Routine infield grounder thrown to 1B. F3 sets up on either bag, and either does or does not yet have the ball. There is non-malicious contact at 1B as the BR touches the orange base. This gives us 4 scenarios.

F3 on white; does not have ball: Obstruction.
F3 on orange; does not have ball. Obstruction.
F3 on white; has ball: Out.
F3 on orange; has ball: ???? Nothing? Safe, yes, but anything else?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by teebob21

Ok, not to hijack another of Cecil's threads,

It is titled "misc"

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by teebob21

F3 on white; does not have ball: Obstruction.
F3 on orange; does not have ball. Obstruction.

My turn to be "anal". If impeded or hindered or

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

My turn to be "anal". If impeded or hindered or

Given that the poster said the players collided ... I think "impeded or hindered" is a given.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Given that the poster said the players collided ... I think "impeded or hindered" is a given.

Of course. That post was more about needling someone; but also because that is a rule often quoted incompletely.

[jmkupka]

Originally Posted by teebob21

F3 on white; does not have ball: Obstruction.
F3 on orange; does not have ball. Obstruction.
F3 on white; has ball: Out.
F3 on orange; has ball: ???? Nothing? Safe, yes, but anything else?

I just indicate like any other "off the bag" play...