Is this a Home Run

[BlueDevilRef]

Looks like she jumped from live ball area and caught it. Out on catch and carry into dead ball. Appears it was third out of inning from footage on video

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by BlueDevilRef

Looks like she jumped from live ball area and caught it. Out on catch and carry into dead ball. Appears it was third out of inning from footage on video

Differing thought, although the same conclusion.

At 0:05, and repeated at 0:08, her foot displaces the base of the fence prior to taking off; and at least some part of her foot, if not all, is beyond the base of the fence, which in NFHS and NCAA is the dead ball line. Of course, instant replay has no standing, and I'm not convinced that the foot was completely in dead ball territory with these angles.

That said, the approved ruling in NFHS and NCAA is that when one foot is in and one foot is out, the defender reestablishes "in" by lifting the foot that was "out"; she only needs to step back in to reestablish "in" if both feet were out.

There's not enough here to survive any effort to call it "no catch", even if it were subject to MLB-style review.

[teebob21]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

Differing thought, although the same conclusion.

At 0:05, and repeated at 0:08, her foot displaces the base of the fence prior to taking off; and at least some part of her foot, if not all, is beyond the base of the fence, which in NFHS and NCAA is the dead ball line. Of course, instant replay has no standing, and I'm not convinced that the foot was completely in dead ball territory with these angles.

That said, the approved ruling in NFHS and NCAA is that when one foot is in and one foot is out, the defender reestablishes "in" by lifting the foot that was "out"; she only needs to step back in to reestablish "in" if both feet were out.

There's not enough here to survive any effort to call it "no catch", even if it were subject to MLB-style review.

+1 What Steve said. Great catch, good hustle by the U3. In real time, this is an out.

Although if I am in the MLB-style review booth, assuming TV quality cameras, I also think she (technically) last established position in dead ball territory at 0:10. There is no way to expect an umpire to see that though. This is an out on the field: jumping from live ball to dead ball and making a play is still a legal catch and carry.

[agr8zebra]

I thought it was a good catch, just wanted everyone to weigh in.

This was in the UHSAA 5A State Final game.

Great hustle, both the player and the official.

[Crabby_Bob]

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[Rich]

A temporary fence in a state championship HS game? That's the part I have a hard time believing.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by Rich

A temporary fence in a state championship HS game? That's the part I have a hard time believing.

Not sure that is as uncommon as you might think. Here in Georgia, all 6 classes (7 next year) bring their Final 8 to the South Commons Complex in Columbus, GA, the site of the 1996 Olympics. The 8 fields were built for the 8 teams competing in the Olympics (each team had a personal practice field), but are all 300' fences to accommodate slowpitch, too.

Georgia has had temporary fences from the beginning of fastpitch softball as a high school sport (played Finals in another complex in Marietta before South Commons was built).

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Rich

A temporary fence in a state championship HS game? That's the part I have a hard time believing.

In many places, needed for large seating fields.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by teebob21

I also think she (technically) last established position in dead ball territory at 0:10. .

Watching it again with Bob's stills, that is correct, but as Steve said, she lifted that left foot before the catch.

[IRISHMAFIA]

correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure you will, but does not NHFS only negate a catch with a player on the fence only when it is flat to the ground, not just partially collapsed? Or am I thinking of another organization?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure you will, but does not NHFS only negate a catch with a player on the fence only when it is flat to the ground, not just partially collapsed? Or am I thinking of another organization?

If partially collapsed, catch. If completely horizontal, no catch. Apparently because a fielder can't be stepping on a completely horizontal fence without being on the ground past the dead ball "line'.

As far as the OP; I believe it is any full foot contact beyond the "line" and the base of the fence is the "line", as she steps on the ground and not the fence.
Although as I said earlier she leaves the ground with her right foot still in play before the catch.

[CecilOne]

And, portable fences move all the time, so she is still inside the fence even when outside the original fence position.
OUT!

[darkside]

Saw a thread on a similar play. They said home team was up in B7 with 2 out and 2 on base. Ruled a catch, game over. By rule it should have been a walk-off 3-run home run.